PARIS -- France's first public cemetery for Muslims was inaugurated Monday in the city of Strasbourg.

Strasbourg Mayor Roland Ries said the cemetery, which has space for about 1,000 graves, demonstrated the continuation of harmonious relations between the different religious communities in the city, as he opened it.

Until now, Muslims in France have buried their dead in specially assigned areas in Christian graveyards, where there is an acute shortage of space.

Previously, many Muslims had sent their dead to their home countries to be buried, but the practice is declining due to the expense involved.

The Alsace region, of which Strasbourg is the capital, allows the public funding of cemeteries, unlike the rest of the country. The city has paid about $1.05 million toward the graveyard.

The dead will have to be buried in coffins, in accordance with French law, rather than simply using shrouds, although talks are planned to see if the law can be relaxed to accommodate Muslim customs.

Why can't they just convert the dead muzz to biodiesel?

jerrylewissux wrote:

PARIS -- France's first public cemetery for Muslims was inaugurated Monday in the city of Strasbourg.

Blast it!!! France AGAIN lagging far behind the U.S.?


Just take the Denton, TX, public muslim cemetery. It's been opened for twenty years now.
Muslim Cemetery, Inc.
P.O. Box 2629, Denton, TX 76202
info@dentonmuslimcemetery.com
501(c)13 - A Non-Profit Organization
In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful
To Allah we belong, and to Him is our return - Al-Baqra [2:156]

Excerpt of the cemetery rules:

Cemetery Rules/Policies:

Islamic laws govern all matters concerning this
cemetery.

Only muslim male, female and their children are
allowed to be buried in this cemetery.
The deceased or family has only interment rights to be
buried. However, they don't own any part of the
cemetery.
Family of deceased agrees to abide by all rules issued by
the board of directors of this cemetery.
Visitors must respect privacy of occupants of the graves.
Please avoid making noises or walking on top of the
graves.
No monument, memorial tree or plant of any kind shall
be placed upon any grave.
Walking, standing or sitting on top of a grave is
prohibited.
Tanned leather footwear is prohibited. Only shoes made
of synthetic materials can be worn during the visit.
Burial at this cemetery is prohibited at these times:
During sunrise, during sunset, at high noon and at
night.
No muslim can be buried in this cemetery without
being bathed and prayed for.

USA, rah, rah, allah, rah. Leaders always. USA, rah, rah, allah, rah.

In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful
To Allah we belong, and to Him is our return - Al-Baqra [2:156]



LOL

jeanv wrote:

jerrylewissux wrote:

PARIS -- France's first public cemetery for Muslims was inaugurated Monday in the city of Strasbourg.

Blast it!!! France AGAIN lagging far behind the U.S.?


Just take the Denton, TX, public muslim cemetery. It's been opened for twenty years now.
Muslim Cemetery, Inc.
P.O. Box 2629, Denton, TX 76202
info@dentonmuslimcemetery.com
501(c)13 - A Non-Profit Organization
In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful
To Allah we belong, and to Him is our return - Al-Baqra [2:156]

Excerpt of the cemetery rules:

Cemetery Rules/Policies:

Islamic laws govern all matters concerning this
cemetery.

Only muslim male, female and their children are
allowed to be buried in this cemetery.
The deceased or family has only interment rights to be
buried. However, they don't own any part of the
cemetery.
Family of deceased agrees to abide by all rules issued by
the board of directors of this cemetery.
Visitors must respect privacy of occupants of the graves.
Please avoid making noises or walking on top of the
graves.
No monument, memorial tree or plant of any kind shall
be placed upon any grave.
Walking, standing or sitting on top of a grave is
prohibited.
Tanned leather footwear is prohibited. Only shoes made
of synthetic materials can be worn during the visit.
Burial at this cemetery is prohibited at these times:
During sunrise, during sunset, at high noon and at
night.
No muslim can be buried in this cemetery without
being bathed and prayed for.

USA, rah, rah, allah, rah. Leaders always. USA, rah, rah, allah, rah.

In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful
To Allah we belong, and to Him is our return - Al-Baqra [2:156]



LOL

Once again you prove your ignorance. Or duplicity?

Just take the Denton, TX, public muslim cemetery. It's been opened for twenty years now.


Muslim Cemetery, Inc.
P.O. Box 2629, Denton, TX 76202
info@dentonmuslimcemetery.com
501(c)13 - A Non-Profit Organization

The Alsace region, of which Strasbourg is the capital, allows the public funding of cemeteries, unlike the rest of the country. The city has paid about $1.05 million toward the graveyard.

Let me make it short for you so you can understand.

In Alsace, public money for muslim cemetery.
In Denton, privately funded cemetery open to the public.

the Romans

OUR FATHERS burned the bodies of the dead

fuck Islam, burn their bodies!!!!

jerrylewissux wrote:

Once again you prove your ignorance. Or duplicity?

Let me make it short for you so you can understand.

In Alsace, public money for muslim cemetery.
In Denton, privately funded cemetery open to the public.

Mega ROFL. I love it when you try to lecture me, Jerry.

But I'll confess to my duplicity: there was a trap.

Religion is ruled under a set of laws completely different of the rest of France, in order to respect the tradition inherited from theit Germanic influences.

In short, the laws regarding the financing of religion in Alsace proceed of the

will of the people of this region

They demanded and got a "concordat" ruling the financement of religion.

So, it's not the big bad nanny state which meddled in the life of Alsatians, it's the people of that region who ruled themselves according to their tastes in matter of religion.

But if you want to extend the reasoning to the whole of France, you could take notice that the secular Republic exorted sole ownership of all worshipping sites (churches) against the Church will in 1905. It follows that, having gotten what it wanted (ownership of religious sites), the Republic inherited the duty to build future sites of worship should an evolution of beliefs occur. Which is the case now.

Checkmate, Jerry.

.

Let's review:

JeanV wrote:

Blast it!!! France AGAIN lagging far behind the U.S.?

Just take the Denton, TX, public muslim cemetery. It's been opened for twenty years now.

You then copy and paste this as proof that the US has once again bettered france by having a tax payer funded muslim cemetery:

Muslim Cemetery, Inc.
P.O. Box 2629, Denton, TX 76202
info@dentonmuslimcemetery.com
501(c)13 - A Non-Profit Organization

You then try to weasel your way out of you stupidity by composing a rambling post repeating what is said in the original article, only they did it in one sentence.

The Alsace region, of which Strasbourg is the capital, allows the public funding of cemeteries, unlike the rest of the country.

Which is exactly what I said:

In Alsace, public money for muslim cemetery.
In Denton, privately funded cemetery open to the public.

Of course after making a fool of yourself twice, you claim check mate.

Some things never change.

I guess now I can expect more useless information on how the french collaborate with the germans to honor the customs of the Alsace region. Followed by another claim of victory.

LTKilling wrote:

the Romans

OUR FATHERS burned the bodies of the dead

fuck Islam, burn their bodies!!!!

Whut about global warming?

.

LOL LOL LOL LOL Jerry. You try to get away by graciously attributing to me your own deviousness. "Let's review"

• the objective of your thread was to illustrate the progression of Islam in France by the fact a muslim cemetery was built in accordance to Islamic law.
  And not that a distinction in funding was the key point. On the contrary, you wished to stress the graveyard rules would evolve towards a greater respect of Islam.
  How do we know that? Because the facts you highlighted in the header section make no reference to funding but to adherence to Islamic rules.


• My answer was that it was possible to find muslim graveyards in the U.S. where the rites were in strict adherence to the muslim rituals.


• Only then did you change your tack and claimed the mode of ownership of the cemetery was the key point


• I then proceeded to tell you that the mode of funding of cemeteries in Alsace derived from the will of the people of that region (it would be the right of a State in the US), will which they expressed and successfully obtained from Napoleon in 1801. So, Texas or Strasbourg, the mode of funding reflected the will of the people.

Now, let's see who's trying to be a weasel here:

* Adherence to muslim ritual: both Texas and Strasbourg, check.

* Mode of funding according to the uses and wishes of the local population: both Texas and Strasbourg, check.

Now try to tell me what horrible other submission to Islam the alsatians might have committed, because you have not made a point yet.

.

Considering that "official" Muslim preferred burial customs are very basic and extremely crude, there isn't much difference between a Muslim cemetery and a garbage dump. No shit, check the link:
www.lincolncemeterychicago.com . . .

Great...now let's fill it up fast.

Every city requires some sort of sewage system.

LOL LOL LOL LOL Jerry. You try to get away by graciously attributing to me your own deviousness. "Let's review"

the objective of your thread was to illustrate the progression of Islam in France by the fact a muslim cemetery was built in accordance to Islamic law.
And not that a distinction in funding was the key point. On the contrary, you wished to stress the graveyard rules would evolve towards a greater respect of Islam.
How do we know that? Because the facts you highlighted in the header section make no reference to funding but to adherence to Islamic rules.

I guess you missed title where is says PUBLIC muslim cemetery.

My answer was that it was possible to find muslim graveyards in the U.S. where the rites were in strict adherence to the muslim rituals.

Only then did you change your tack and claimed the mode of ownership of the cemetery was the key point

Funny you didn't post:

Blast it!!! France AGAIN lagging far behind the U.S.?


Just take the Denton, TX, adherence to Islamic rules

You posted:

Blast it!!! France AGAIN lagging far behind the U.S.?


Just take the Denton, TX, public muslim cemetery. It's been opened for twenty years now.

If your point was "adherence to Islamic rules" why did you only mention it AFTER I pointed out your idiotic post about a "public muslim cemetery" in Texas.

I then proceeded to tell you that the mode of funding of cemeteries in Alsace derived from the will of the people of that region (it would be the right of a State in the US), will which they expressed and successfully obtained from Napoleon in 1801. So, Texas or Strasbourg, the mode of funding reflected the will of the people.

You then tried to obfuscate and babble to change the subject away from your mistake/ignorance. Just as you are doing now and as I predicted...

I guess now I can expect more useless information on how the french collaborate with the germans to honor the customs of the Alsace region. Followed by another claim of victory.

Now, let's see who's trying to be a weasel here:

* Adherence to muslim ritual: both Texas and Strasbourg, check.

You are, because you are the only one concerned about muslim ritual, and only to hide the ignorance of your first post.

I only pointed out your stupidity.

* Mode of funding according to the uses and wishes of the local population: both Texas and Strasbourg, check.

You really are getting desperate.
From "public funded cemetery in Texas"to "adherence to Islamic rules and now uses and wishes of the local population.

Keep digging, it's funny.

Now try to tell me what horrible other submission to Islam the alsatians might have committed, because you have not made a point yet.

Oh I made my point, you socialist don't know the difference between publicly funded and open to the public.

You made a point too, when you shoot yourself in the foot you keep pulling the trigger.

.

Your points in this thread are very stupid and/or of a extreme bad faith. Let's review your (very weak) points:

JLS wrote:

I guess you missed title where is says PUBLIC muslim cemetery.

You seem to be understanding veeerrryyy slowly, so I'll repeat: the fact YOU highlighted in a box to start your thread had to do with muslim RITUAL, not funding.

JLS wrote:

Funny you didn't post: Denton, TX, [b]adherence to Islamic rules
You posted: Blast it!!! France AGAIN lagging far behind the U.S.?
If your point was "adherence to Islamic rules" why did you only mention it AFTER I pointed out your idiotic post about a "public muslim cemetery" in Texas.

Selective reading, or are you stupid?
The ONLY passage I highlighted in my FIRST answer showed I was answering your box highlight about rituals:

jeanv wrote:

Islamic laws govern all matters concerning this cemetery.

JLS wrote:

You then tried to obfuscate and babble to change the subject away from your mistake/ignorance. I only pointed out your stupidity.

Nice trick of rhetoric. Having proved nada/zilch 'mistake/ignorance' on my part, you now pretend I tried to hide that inexistent mistake. Cute. Cute, but no dice.

JLS wrote:

Adherence to muslim ritual: both Texas and Strasbourg, check. You are, because you are the only one concerned about muslim ritual, and only to hide the ignorance of your first post.

AGAIN? How many times must I repeat that what YOU highlighted had to do with ritual, not funding. I therefore was not ' the only one concerned about muslim ritual'.

JLS wrote:

You really are getting desperate. From "public funded cemetery in Texas"to "adherence to Islamic rules and now uses and wishes of the local population.

LOL. Look who's desperate now? I did NOT write "public funded cemetery in Texas". Repeat: I did not write publicly funded. For three reasons
1- I repeat, my first answer was about ritual, not funding
2- so much so I just meant muslim cemetery in Texas, public got there by virtue of copy/paste
3- had funding been my point, I couldn't have missed the fact the Texas cemetery was privately funded, as my link was a call for private financement

JLS wrote:

Oh I made my point, you socialist don't know the difference between publicly funded and open to the public.

LOL. Straw man.

* Before political leanings comes the Constitution. 'We the people' rings a bell?
If people in a state decide to finance an activity (religious burials here), they do it according to their wishes.
I repeat: the people of Alsace demanded to have these laws regulating religion in their particular region in 1801.Liberty rings a bell?

* second, sorry, but you're wrong about the legal definition of 'public cemetery' even in U.S. law. Which makes you a clown.

A public cemetery is one used by the general community, a neighborhood, or a church. while a private cemetery is one used only by a family or a small portion of the community. However, public use rather than ownership determines whether a cemetery is public. In Garland v. Clark, 264 Ala. 402, 405-406 (Ala. 1956), court held that for a place to be called a public cemetery, "The intention of the owner of the land to dedicate it for a public cemetery, together with the acceptance and use of the same by the public, or the consent and acquiescence of the owner in the long-continued use of his lands for such purpose, are sufficient."

JLS wrote:

You made a point too, when you shoot yourself in the foot you keep pulling the trigger.

I won't even say 'pot calling the kettle black', because it would imply a parity.
You just wrote or implied dumb things, and they all fell falt.

Better luck next time. Keep playing.




PS: your paper bag is on fire.

mamud wrote:

I just hope this cemetery will be full very soon.

Tiens Mamud, près de chez moi il y a le cimetière militaire de Notre Dame de Lorette datant de la grande guerre, y a les carrés des juifs et des musulmans, ils sont morts pour "la France" !

jerrylewissux wrote:



Let me make it short for you so you can understand.

In Alsace, public money for muslim cemetery.
In Denton, privately funded cemetery open to the public.

Alsatian law, Alsatian right.

for lt troll

by the 4th century, Macrobius refers to cremation as a thing of the past,

jerrylewissux wrote:



In Alsace, public money for muslim cemetery.
In Denton, privately funded cemetery open to the public.

Alsace is not accountable for the 1905 law on laicity as it wasn't a part of France during that time.

because the frogs declared war on the krauts over an insulting telegram and then got hammered

Nappybonesapart wrote:

because the frogs declared war on the krauts over an insulting telegram and then got hammered

Yep, ballsy people take risks.

ohmygawd wrote:

...Alsace is not accountable for the 1905 law on laicity as it wasn't a part of France during that time.

Alsace and Lorraine never made any effort to adopt the law since. Likely, because they were pissed about having been annexed into France. It seems their rebellion against their new masters has resulted in putting a slug into their own feet:

www.badische-zeitung.de . . .

wrote:

...In den meisten anderen französischen Regionen ist ein muslimischer Friedhof undenkbar: Frankreichs Verfassung sieht seit 1905 die strikte Trennung von Staat und Religion vor. Doch das Elsass und das lothringische Département Moselle – zwischen 1871 und 1918 deutsches Reichsland – haben diese Vorgabe nicht übernommen...

Translation:

In most other French departments, is a Moslem cemetary unthinkable. The French constitution establishes the strict separation of church and state, since 1905. However, departments Alsace and Lorraine (part of the German Reich from 1871 to 1918) never have officially recognized this ruling

Yank poem.

I am a yank born in New York
To tell the truth I am a dork

I just wanted to get a chance
Turn on PC and bashing France

I found FF it was funny
To write insults and infamy

I hate the French, I've been told to
I don't know why... a job to do

The coward frogs are just chicken
During a war they always run!

But the writting is such a pain
I face the truth... I have no brain

My useless words are just like stench
...I'm just a yank bashing the French.

jeanv wrote:


Blast it!!! France AGAIN lagging far behind the U.S.?


Just take the Denton, TX, public muslim cemetery. It's been opened for twenty years now.
Muslim Cemetery, Inc.
P.O. Box 2629, Denton, TX 76202
info@dentonmuslimcemetery.com
501(c)13 - A Non-Profit Organization
In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful
To Allah we belong, and to Him is our return - Al-Baqra [2:156]

Excerpt of the cemetery rules:

Cemetery Rules/Policies:

Islamic laws govern all matters concerning this
cemetery.

Only muslim male, female and their children are
allowed to be buried in this cemetery.
The deceased or family has only interment rights to be
buried. However, they don't own any part of the
cemetery.
Family of deceased agrees to abide by all rules issued by
the board of directors of this cemetery.
Visitors must respect privacy of occupants of the graves.
Please avoid making noises or walking on top of the
graves.
No monument, memorial tree or plant of any kind shall
be placed upon any grave.
Walking, standing or sitting on top of a grave is
prohibited.
Tanned leather footwear is prohibited. Only shoes made
of synthetic materials can be worn during the visit.
Burial at this cemetery is prohibited at these times:
During sunrise, during sunset, at high noon and at
night.
No muslim can be buried in this cemetery without
being bathed and prayed for.

USA, rah, rah, allah, rah. Leaders always. USA, rah, rah, allah, rah.

In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful
To Allah we belong, and to Him is our return - Al-Baqra [2:156]



LOL

Is that cemetery paid for with taxpayer funds? No, of course not. You knew that when you put the word public into the title. It's not public, it's a private cemetery. Yes, we still have private property in the US and our constitutional guarantees extend to all.

You're not even allowed to deny Turkey's genocide of Armenians or to call Sarko the Jewish dwarf an unrepentant pervert and coward.

Fred you may have been the french Rambo

but you are not the french Rimbaud


Jean Nicolas Arthur Rimbaud 20 October 1854 ¡V 10 November 1891) was a French poet. Born in Charleville, Ardennes, he produced his best known works while still in his late teens¡XVictor Hugo described him at the time as "an infant Shakespeare

jeanv wrote:

jerrylewissux wrote:

PARIS -- France's first public cemetery for Muslims was inaugurated Monday in the city of Strasbourg.

Blast it!!! France AGAIN lagging far behind the U.S.?


Just take the Denton, TX, public muslim cemetery. It's been opened for twenty years now.
Muslim Cemetery, Inc.
P.O. Box 2629, Denton, TX 76202
info@dentonmuslimcemetery.com
501(c)13 - A Non-Profit Organization
In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful
To Allah we belong, and to Him is our return - Al-Baqra [2:156]

Excerpt of the cemetery rules:

Cemetery Rules/Policies:

Islamic laws govern all matters concerning this
cemetery.

Only muslim male, female and their children are
allowed to be buried in this cemetery.
The deceased or family has only interment rights to be
buried. However, they don't own any part of the
cemetery.
Family of deceased agrees to abide by all rules issued by
the board of directors of this cemetery.
Visitors must respect privacy of occupants of the graves.
Please avoid making noises or walking on top of the
graves.
No monument, memorial tree or plant of any kind shall
be placed upon any grave.
Walking, standing or sitting on top of a grave is
prohibited.
Tanned leather footwear is prohibited. Only shoes made
of synthetic materials can be worn during the visit.
Burial at this cemetery is prohibited at these times:
During sunrise, during sunset, at high noon and at
night.
No muslim can be buried in this cemetery without
being bathed and prayed for.

USA, rah, rah, allah, rah. Leaders always. USA, rah, rah, allah, rah.

In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful
To Allah we belong, and to Him is our return - Al-Baqra [2:156]



LOL

As compared to france

The city has paid about $1.05 million toward the graveyard.

Do we need to go into the facts on muz?

France has the large pop of them in the west
France has more places of muz worship
France has broke it's own laws by funding islamic churchs... wont see the same for Catholics or Joooo s
Did we forget the fact that french goverment's islamic affairs are run by a known terrorist org?
Let's not forget the fact that the eu is importing 50 million muslims from Africa
France has also looked into sharia banking