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French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany (karma: 5)  en>fr fr>en
By FrogFryer Comments: 36454, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Sun Feb 05, 2012 02:43 PM
The Carolingian union is all that anybody in French public life can really remember. It worked marvellously for two generations, levering French power on the global stage, and the euro was of course their own creation, intended to tie down a reunited Germany with “silken cords”. How can they now face the awful truth that this elegant strategy has blown up in their faces, enthroning Germany as undisputed hegemon?

French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany
The half-century habits of Franco-German condominium die hard. It is a painful process for French elites to admit that monetary union is asphyxiating their economy and must inevitably trap France in mercantilist subordination to Germany.



By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
05 Feb 2012

The Carolingian union is all that anybody in French public life can really remember. It worked marvellously for two generations, levering French power on the global stage, and the euro was of course their own creation, intended to tie down a reunited Germany with “silken cords”. How can they now face the awful truth that this elegant strategy has blown up in their faces, enthroning Germany as undisputed hegemon?

Yet they can hardly ignore the evidence. While German unemployment has fallen to a post-Reunification low of 5.5pc, France’s jobless rate has crept up to a post-EMU high of 9.9pc and is certain to rise further as recession bites again.

While both countries had the same sorts of export surplus in the early 1990s, they have diverged massively since the D-Mark and franc were fixed in perpetuity. Germany has a current account surplus of 5pc of GDP: France has a deficit of 2.7pc, anathema for Colbertistes.

You can see from IMF data that the silent coup took place in the fat years of the global boom when Germany forced down unit labour costs; -1.7pc in 2003, -4.0pc in 2004, -3.3pc in 2005, -1.8pc in 2006.

France lost ground year after year due to wage creep and weaker productivity. Enough time has now gone by to leave it stuck inside EMU with a misaligned exchange rate, and talk of euro exit is at last starting to be heard.

“The single currency is condemned to an uncontrollable explosion sooner or later,” wrote 12 economists in a recent letter to Le Monde, calling for an orderly return to national currencies. “The obstinate determination of governments to take us by forced march deeper into the euro impasse can only lead to the general aggravation of the economic situation in Europe,” they said.

President Nicolas Sarkozy has no answer to this. He has clung to the fig leaf of Franco-German parity, staking all on ties to Chancellor Angela Merkel, rather than seizing leadership of the Latin bloc to force a radical change of policy.

His gamble on the status quo has failed. Mrs Merkel has not yielded an inch, and has now forced him to swallow a fiscal treaty that erodes French sovereignty without offering any remedy to the crisis at hand.

Her contradictory medicine for half of Europe has itself cost France its AAA rating, as Standard & Poor’s made clear when it unleashed its volley of downgrades last month. “Fiscal austerity alone risks becoming self-defeating,” it said.

So it has fallen to the Socialists – less compromised lately – to start the rebellion. “We cannot let the Germans alone appoint themselves experts and judges,” said party leader François Hollande. He called for “substantial modifications” to the fiscal compact if elected president in May, as he may well be since he is running six points ahead in the polls.

Pierre Moscovici, his campaign manager (and former Europe minister), has since upped the ante by threatening a referendum – mischievously noting the French voted ‘Non’ last time they had a chance in 2005.

“I am convinced that we will find allies for a renegotiation aimed at a policy change to pull out of its austerity spiral and recession. We don’t like the idea of a popular vote because we are pro-Europeans and we don’t want a “No”, but nor can we allow tensions to spill over.

It is a revolt against a 1930s policy that imposes all the burden of adjustment on the debtor states and fails to recognise that North-South imbalances must be closed from both ends, and ultimately condemns all EMU to ruinous slump.

It is revolt too against subservience to a Germany that has stopped listening and no longer pretends to mask its power. “French diplomacy must rediscover its nobility and regroup with partners who feel deceived or humiliated by Mr Sarkozy and Mrs Merkel, and build an alternative with them,” said Najat Vallaud-Belkacem, the Socialist spokesman.

My own view is that Germany has overplayed its hand badly and will face a whirlwind diplomatic retribution. Its narrative of the EMU crisis – virtuous Northerners rescuing profligate Greco-Latins – was oppressively dominant for two years but has at last been discredited and is now repeated only by pub bores.

The Soros-Roubini narrative has replaced it – a tale of self-feeding contraction as austerity cuts into the muscle and the bone itself, a “German taskmaster” bent on deranged policies that will destroy the EU itself. As Portugal’s elder statesman Mario Soares put it, the strategy is leading nowhere and everybody knows it.

22 Replies to French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany

re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By simplefrench Comments: 64178, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003
On Sun Feb 05, 2012 04:51 PM
No link.Thread locked.
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By MatoubLounesmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 7624, member since Sun Jun 04, 2006
On Sun Feb 05, 2012 05:32 PM
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Fine representant of le english manly names, i presume?
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By LTKilling Comments: 7766, member since Sun Aug 14, 2005
On Sun Feb 05, 2012 07:24 PM



fucking die socialist
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By FrogFryer Comments: 36454, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:08 PM
LTKilling wrote:

fucking die socialist


which socialists are those brown national socialist ?
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By WineandCoke Comments: 18404, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:50 PM
Fine representant of le english manly names, i presume?
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I believe Evans is Welsh.
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By jeanv Comments: 17611, member since Sun Sep 11, 2005
On Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:59 PM
Edited by jeanv (78002) on 2012-02-05 23:00:36
FrogFryer wrote:

It is a painful process for French elites to admit that monetary union is asphyxiating their economy and must inevitably trap France in mercantilist subordination to Germany.

France lost ground year after year due to wage creep and weaker productivity.


Publishing articles so poorly researched must be part of why the Daily Telegraph lost one third its readership this century :D

No wage creep in France, but excessive payroll taxes to pay for an unaffordable welfare net.

Productivity is extremely high. Artificially so, because of insufficient work hours/year, and insufficient work rate of the population (cf unemployment benefits)

If Germany has done well and France poorly over the period of monetary union has nothing to do with the currency.
See Hartz IV in Germany vs nothing under past French caretakers.



In short, this article should have been written by a college student in Kazakhstan,

chances are it would have been more accurate.

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re: French socialistsÂ’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By PistolPierre Comments: 1364, member since Fri Mar 03, 2006
On Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:29 PM
How was monetary union "supposed to tie down unified Germany with silken cords?" I am currently an economics student in Kazakhstan, sorry.
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By SevenSeventeen Comments: 13828, member since Tue Apr 22, 2003
On Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:46 PM
"We don’t like the idea of a popular vote because we are pro-Europeans and we don’t want a “No”


Absofuckinglotely priceless :D
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By Franken Comments: 5079, member since Sun Apr 27, 2003
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:11 AM
You can see from IMF data that the silent coup took place in the fat years of the global boom when Germany forced down unit labour costs; -1.7pc in 2003, -4.0pc in 2004, -3.3pc in 2005, -1.8pc in 2006.


What is not mentionned is that it happened when German jobless passed the 5 Millions mark. All the jobs and investments were flowing in Eastern Europe, with Labour costs not even half of the German ones. It was necessary to make the country comptetitive again. In most of the cases, the salary reductions were linked to some kind of new investments and comittments keep the jobs in Germany.

To all the idiots that think Germans played a fool by doing this, well nobody prevents you from doing the same in your own country.
The German "miracle" came from the discipline with which the workers endured these cuts and kept working as before.
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By LTKilling Comments: 7766, member since Sun Aug 14, 2005
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:11 AM
the German and Japanese people are a very different type of people compared to other humans

it simply amazes me that Germany was completely annihilated after WW2, everything was destroyed with ALL PATENTS stolen and yet Germany today has a GDP of 3 trillion.

Let us take into account that ALL FERTILE AND RESOURCE LAND was taken by Poland and Russia and 8 million Germans had been killed during the war

same can be said about the Japs

imagine if they had a country the size of America or Russia, they would be living in Mars
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By LTKilling Comments: 7766, member since Sun Aug 14, 2005
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:13 AM
FrogFryer wrote:

LTKilling wrote:

fucking die socialist


which socialists are those brown national socialist ?


I am a VISIGOTH
re: French socialistsÂ’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By PistolPierre Comments: 1364, member since Fri Mar 03, 2006
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:31 AM
LtKilling, didn't the Visigoths lose Spain for 781 years?
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By bratwurst1978member has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 2771, member since Tue Nov 30, 2004
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 01:59 AM
French submission to German rule is inevitable. After all, we are proven experts at reintegrating socialist countries into civilization. Just think of the DDR. We took care of the communist cesspool while paying Europe an EU allowance in addition to war reparations and still charged ahead. How much more proof do you need? I know that the French are a proud people, but don't you think it's time to accept the natural order of things?

You are not the DDR of course, the population there is German after all, but your breeding isn't a total genetic dead end. You may just be a little effeminate, meek and have some nauseating character traits that seem too absurd to be of cultural origin alone, but a little controlled cross-breeding with our Germanic males will not only make your women happy and productive again, it should effectively defrenchify that gene pool to a level where your neighbors won't be tempted to racially reclassify you as livestock.

You will understand that we can't be as patient with you as we are with our Eastern brothers of race and simply wait out the generation of poisoned socialist mindsets and unpurified bodily fluids, so some mild genocidal corrections will become necessary to speed up the selection process and reach a healthy equilibrium at a near human baseline.

You just have to realize that we are here to help and even if things may seem a bit painful and cruel to you at times, it's all for the better and in your own interest. Should you have any questions or need some further clarification, please don't hesitate to ask.
re: French socialistsÂ’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By PistolPierre Comments: 1364, member since Fri Mar 03, 2006
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 02:12 AM
bratwurst, you are hilarious. Your birthrates are almost as anemic as Russia, Italy, Spain. Where do you get this pride?
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By bratwurst1978member has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 2771, member since Tue Nov 30, 2004
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 04:23 AM
PistolPierre wrote:

bratwurst, you are hilarious. Your birthrates are almost as anemic as Russia, Italy, Spain. Where do you get this pride?

Who said anything about pride? We are but dutiful servants to the human race and are ready to do what needs to be done. We merely want to help you reach your full potential by reducing the amount of you in you and augmenting it by some superior us. You need to focus on the children and the future, not your own petty existence.
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By jeanv Comments: 17611, member since Sun Sep 11, 2005
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 04:44 AM
PistolPierre wrote:

bratwurst, you are hilarious. Your birthrates are almost as anemic as Russia, Italy, Spain.


With the German denatality at work, the French will outnumber them two to one, and impose gallic rule on Germany.

The master race was French after all ;)

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re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By mamud Comments: 17823, member since Mon May 21, 2007
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 05:01 AM
Edited by mamud (80618) on 2012-02-06 05:03:33
Edited by mamud (80618) on 2012-02-06 05:05:12
Mallaury Nataf, sdf et privée de ses enfants
Mallaury Nataf est bien loin de ses années télé. Ancienne comédienne et chanteuse issue des séries AB Productions, elle assure désormais qu'elle est sans domicile fixe depuis sept mois et que ses trois enfants lui ont été retirés, dont le dernier samedi dernier. Quand on l'interroge sur sa conduite, elle jure, malgré quelques erreurs au début, qu'elle est désormais une bonne mère. Elle assure par ailleurs qu'un «grand» avocat vient d'accepter de défendre son dossier et qu'elle dispose d'un appartement de 50 m2 à Saint-Ouen prêté par l'association Pause-Café. Et qui pourrait lui permettre, selon elle, de récupérer son enfant.


re: French socialistsÂ’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By PistolPierre Comments: 1364, member since Fri Mar 03, 2006
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 08:48 AM
bratwurst belongs in the 19th century, when the future of Germany looked bright for about 45 years. I pity Old Europe with its sagging breasts and false teeth. as far as the master race, the Slavs, it just goes to show that all Europe is doomed. If the master race dies, how can there be hope for anybody else?
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Klausbarbie Comments: 2141, member since Tue Mar 22, 2005
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 04:25 PM
In this video, a Hungarian guest puts a Kraut Social Democretin in his place and owns him lock, stock and barrel:

www.zdf.de . . .

Image hotlink - 'http://ais.badische-zeitung.de/piece/03/42/84/d1/54691025-p-590_450.jpg'
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By PopsFrost Comments: 10159, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 05:00 PM
bratwurst1978 wrote:

French submission to German rule is inevitable. ...don't you think it's time to accept the natural order of things?

Isn't a little honesty from a kraut refreshing?

You may just be a little effeminate, meek and have some nauseating character traits that seem too absurd to be of cultural origin alone, but a little controlled cross-breeding with our Germanic males will not only make your women happy and productive again, it should effectively defrenchify that gene pool to a level where your neighbors won't be tempted to racially reclassify you as livestock.

The fronch women haven't been satisfied since the Red Army left. Fronce is full of men that like little boys, like Pippin.

some mild genocidal corrections will become necessary to speed up the selection process

You just have to realize that we are here to help

True dat.
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By PopsFrost Comments: 10159, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008
On Mon Feb 06, 2012 05:01 PM
jeanv wrote:

The master race was French after all ;)


Ha





Ha ha ha








ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
re: French socialists’ Latin revolt against Germany en>fr fr>en
By Klausbarbie Comments: 2141, member since Tue Mar 22, 2005
On Wed Feb 08, 2012 05:43 AM



Klausbarbie wrote:

In this video, a Hungarian guest puts a Kraut Social Democretin in his place and owns him lock, stock and barrel:

www.zdf.de . . .

Sorry. He's Slovakian: en.wikipedia.org . . . . Scroll the video to 30 minutes and 40 seconds to see his debut. He takes ownership of the Democretin precisely at 58 minutes and 2 seconds where he's asked if he would bail out Greece with his own money

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