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Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight en>fr fr>en
By TheMadPoetmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 35509, member since Mon Nov 07, 2005
On Tue Jan 24, 2012 08:11 PM
Edited by TheMadPoet (78380) on 2012-01-24 20:12:49
Edited by TheMadPoet (78380) on 2012-01-24 20:14:21
Hernandez described the metal bar Rodriguez had been clutching as a "pipe bender" - a tool used by electricians to bend electrical conduits.



MONTEREY PARK - The fatal police shooting of a man who lunged at a police officer with a metal bar Monday was caught on amateur video.

Steve Rodriguez, 22, was pronounced dead at a hospital shortly after the shooting, Los Angeles County Department of Coroner's Chief of Operations Craig Harvey said. His city of residency was not known Tuesday.

The shooting took place about 9:30 a.m. Monday in the parking lot of a Carl's Jr. restaurant in the 1200 block of Avenida Cesar Chavez, where Rodriguez was reportedly smashing out windows.

While the amateur video is an important piece of evidence, Lt. Eddie Hernandez of the Sheriff's Homicide Bureau said there is a great deal of additional evidence to be considered.

"Keep in mind, the video that was posted on YouTube, it's a very narrow prism," the lieutenant said. "The investigation is in its infancy right now."

Monterey Park police officers had responded to reports that a man was smashing windows out at the Carl's Jr. with a three-foot-long metal bar, sheriff's officials said.

The video shows Rodriguez exit the eatery with a metal bar, when he was immediately confronted by two police officers, who who were not identified Tuesday. One of the officers held a Taser, the other pointed a pistol in his right hand and held a police dog's leash in the other.
The officer with the Taser is seen apparently firing the device. At least one of the Tasar darts appeared to have hit Rodriguez in the face, the video shows. He swatted at the dart, but it did not slow him down and only appeared to agitate him, the video shows.

Rodriguez then turned toward the officer who fired the Taser and began approaching him while grasping the metal bar in a baseball bat grip, the video shows.

Though Rodriguez advanced on the officer while rearing back with the metal bar as if preparing to deliver a blow, the video does not show the man swinging at the officers, as initially reported by sheriff's officials.

The officer who shot at the suspect with the Taser appeared to be struggling to remove his pistol from its holster as the second officer opened fire.

After a volley of five shots in rapid succession, Rodriguez stumbled back, dropped the metal bar and turned his back to the officers, though he remained on his feet. The officer then fired a second volley of five shots, causing Rodriguez to fall to the ground.

The camera's view of Rodriguez is obscured during the second round of gunfire by a parked car.

Investigators will also review videos of the incident that have not been released to the public, Hernandez said, including security camera footage from inside the restaurant, footage from neighboring businesses and footage from cameras mounted in Monterey Park police patrol cars.

Detectives were also continuing Tuesday to interview about 25 witnesses, Hernandez said.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department is assisting in the investigation, as is common in officer-involved shootings involving Los Angeles County police agencies.

Hernandez did not know the status of the officers involved in the shooting. Monterey Park police declined to comment on the identity or status of the officers.

Hernandez described the metal bar Rodriguez had been clutching as a "pipe bender" - a tool used by electricians to bend electrical conduits.

Investigators continued piecing together the events that led up to the shooting, Hernandez said.

Witnesses reported the suspect was not yelling or speaking to anyone as he smashed the windows inside the restaurant, and his motive in the alleged vandalism was unknown.

Officials are still looking into whether the suspect ate at the restaurant prior to the incident, though it initially did not appear that was the case, Hernandez said.

The officers involved did not recognize Rodriguez from any previous encounters, Hernandez added.

The only Los Angeles County Superior Court case listed in a county database against a person by Rodriguez's name and birthdate was a drunken driving case filed Dec. 28 in Alhambra Superior Court. The case stemmed from an Oct. 30 arrest in Alhambra. Further details on the case were not available.

No drugs were found on Rodriguez's person, Hernandez said. An autopsy will determined whether any substances were in his system at the time of the incident.

Once sheriff's officials, police, Los Angeles County District Attorney's officials and the County of Los Angeles Office of Independent Review have completed their investigations, the information will be turned over to the district attorney's office for review.

165 Replies to Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight

re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight en>fr fr>en
By OldLyme Comments: 35799, member since Fri Jun 04, 2004
On Tue Jan 24, 2012 08:14 PM
Who's the thief?
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 6)  en>fr fr>en
By ReBourne Comments: 7526, member since Sat Oct 24, 2009
On Tue Jan 24, 2012 09:28 PM
It's a bad shooting.

Five shots while a dog stands by? WTF???

Could have shot his ass in the leg and let the dog loose.

The low-life fuckin' pig just wanted to kill somebody. :(
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 6)  en>fr fr>en
By BurnParis Comments: 27422, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Tue Jan 24, 2012 09:50 PM
ReBourne wrote:

Could have shot his ass in the leg


You've never been trained on how to use a gun.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 8)  en>fr fr>en
By diefrog Comments: 8250, member since Wed Mar 12, 2003
On Tue Jan 24, 2012 09:57 PM
ReBourne wrote:

It's a bad shooting.

Five shots while a dog stands by? WTF???

Could have shot his ass in the leg and let the dog loose.

The low-life fuckin' pig just wanted to kill somebody. :(


Law enforcement does not shoot to wound.

The rule is, if you pull the trigger somebody better be dead. That tool raised that metal pipe or bar to take a swing at a cop. he might as well had "kill me please" tattooed on his forehead.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By BurnParis Comments: 27422, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:25 PM
diefrog wrote:

Law enforcement does not shoot to wound.


With good reason.

This guy (the target) is moving in an aggressive and agitated manor. The cops closed in on him to spray him (which failed) and taze him (also failed). As a result they are now within reasonable striking distance from the target with the pipe bender. Getting hit with a full on swing with a pipe bender will in all probability be fatal, if not fatal, it will definitely cause critical injury.

Now back to the shooting - lets say the cop aimed at the center of this targets chest - and with the guy moving, he missed his target by 4 inches. He's still going to hit the guy.

Now lets say you aim for the center of his knee - if you miss by the same 4 inches, you're going to hit what's behind the guy, cause you sure aren't going to be hitting his leg.

A single shot to the leg would have done nothing to drop this guy, he was shot 5 times in the torso at close range and was STILL standing when the next 5 rounds went off.

This was a VERY clean shoot.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight en>fr fr>en
By TheMadPoetmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 35509, member since Mon Nov 07, 2005
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:13 AM
BurnParis wrote:

diefrog wrote:

Law enforcement does not shoot to wound.


With good reason.

This guy (the target) is moving in an aggressive and agitated manor. The cops closed in on him to spray him (which failed) and taze him (also failed). As a result they are now within reasonable striking distance from the target with the pipe bender. Getting hit with a full on swing with a pipe bender will in all probability be fatal, if not fatal, it will definitely cause critical injury.

Now back to the shooting - lets say the cop aimed at the center of this targets chest - and with the guy moving, he missed his target by 4 inches. He's still going to hit the guy.

Now lets say you aim for the center of his knee - if you miss by the same 4 inches, you're going to hit what's behind the guy, cause you sure aren't going to be hitting his leg.

A single shot to the leg would have done nothing to drop this guy, he was shot 5 times in the torso at close range and was STILL standing when the next 5 rounds went off.

This was a VERY clean shoot.


Not only would a swing of the pipe bender likely disable the cop, the perp would end up with his gun, and then what?

The cops took every measure possible to use nonlethal means.

If I took a bat, a pipe, or a club of any kind and advanced on a cop, I would expect my lily white ass to have 10 extra holes in it too.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By ProudRacist Comments: 6620, member since Thu Nov 22, 2007
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 02:06 AM
Edited by ProudRacist (81095) on 2012-01-25 02:10:59
When your cops zap some guy with a tazer just because he lit a cigarette up walking along the sidewalk & the cop thought he was about to commit an act of arson, this explains why America has trigger happy cops.

This "serve & protect" is all bullshit, the aim of American policing is to make some bullshit felony up about some cunt, get him in handcuffs & give their best friend, the bail bondsman, another client.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Hubertus Comments: 882, member since Sat Oct 04, 2003
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 02:41 AM
DOUBLE TAP, God damn-it, NO NEED TO EMPTY YOUR CLIP ! :)

Anyway a bad case of lead poisoning. One more retard on its way to hell.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 5)  en>fr fr>en
By Cazeilles Comments: 13788, member since Wed Apr 09, 2003
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 03:50 AM
ReBourne wrote:

It's a bad shooting.

Five shots while a dog stands by? WTF???

Could have shot his ass in the leg and let the dog loose.

The low-life fuckin' pig just wanted to kill somebody. :(


My thought exactly. The dog was the perfect answer to this situation in an urban environment without putting bystanders life at risk.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By ReBourne Comments: 7526, member since Sat Oct 24, 2009
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 04:33 AM
Edited by ReBourne (82387) on 2012-01-25 04:40:50
Edited by ReBourne (82387) on 2012-01-25 04:44:55
ProudRacist wrote:

When your cops zap some guy with a tazer just because he lit a cigarette up walking along the sidewalk & the cop thought he was about to commit an act of arson, this explains why America has trigger happy cops.

This "serve & protect" is all bullshit, the aim of American policing is to make some bullshit felony up about some cunt, get him in handcuffs & give their best friend, the bail bondsman, another client.



BP - Oh yes I have and by cops on a cop range. (officer of the court / certified expert witness)
Policy has always been the same. Stupid then and stupid now.


PR and Caz - This is why cops in America are known as "fucking pigs".
Many are just too damn stupid to think so there is a "one size kills all" pig policy. Sad but absolutely true. Some are members here. :O

Hence, "Ruby Ridge", "Waco", et al. Slack-jawed psycho idiots with a gun. :(
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 4)  en>fr fr>en
By VaeVictis Comments: 1472, member since Wed Jul 18, 2007
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 04:40 AM
After a volley of five shots in rapid succession, Rodriguez stumbled back, dropped the metal bar and turned his back to the officers, though he remained on his feet. The officer then fired a second volley of five shots, causing Rodriguez to fall to the ground.

If you don't think this is wrong, you may be a fat pedo failed businessman.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight en>fr fr>en
By Cazeilles Comments: 13788, member since Wed Apr 09, 2003
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 05:28 AM
There is a unwritten rule in US police forces. When a coworker starts shooting, everybody empty their mag on the target.

It's kind of remember me of unwritten rules in some mafia gangs.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight en>fr fr>en
By Lord_Haw_Haw Comments: 9217, member since Sun Mar 07, 2010
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 05:38 AM
Cazeilles wrote:

ReBourne wrote:

It's a bad shooting.

Five shots while a dog stands by? WTF???

Could have shot his ass in the leg and let the dog loose.

The low-life fuckin' pig just wanted to kill somebody. :(


My thought exactly. The dog was the perfect answer to this situation in an urban environment without putting bystanders life at risk.


exactly
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 4)  en>fr fr>en
By BurnParis Comments: 27422, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 06:18 AM
Edited by BurnParis (59538) on 2012-01-25 06:21:39
Edited by BurnParis (59538) on 2012-01-25 06:36:50
ReBourne wrote:

BP - Oh yes I have and by cops on a cop range. (officer of the court / certified expert witness)


Seriously? Shoot him in the leg? Come on "Lone Ranger", why not save the guy from a leg injury and just shoot the iron out of his hand like they do on Saturday morning cartoons?!

Geeeezzz.

You should have stayed awake through the training. Take it again and learn this time. No law enforcement agency is training people to shoot someone in the leg. NONE. Period.


Cazeilles wrote:

The dog was the perfect answer to this situation in an urban environment without putting bystanders life at risk.


Wrong. Totally wrong. Sending a dog up against someone armed with am iron bar, who has already brushed off a tazer and mace spray will result in a dead or seriously injured dog, and ultimately a dead criminal. They minimized the situation and kept the dogs safe.

Keep in mind a police K-9 is a police officer. and if you injure or kill a police K-9, it carries the same penalties as killing a human cop.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight en>fr fr>en
By pippin Comments: 6098, member since Mon Jan 19, 2009
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 06:18 AM
BurnParis wrote:

ReBourne wrote:

Could have shot his ass in the leg


You've never been trained on how to use a gun.
:O Sez our very own, in house, keyboard warrior.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By BurnParis Comments: 27422, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 06:20 AM
pippin wrote:

:O Sez our very own, in house, keyboard warrior.


Said your very own, homosexual pedophile rapist,...

Pip,.. be a good old pervert and go back to sleep until you die. k?
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight en>fr fr>en
By ReBourne Comments: 7526, member since Sat Oct 24, 2009
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 06:52 AM
BurnParis wrote:

ReBourne wrote:

BP - Oh yes I have and by cops on a cop range. (officer of the court / certified expert witness)


Seriously? Shoot him in the leg? Come on "Lone Ranger", why not save the guy from a leg injury and just shoot the iron out of his hand like they do on Saturday morning cartoons?!

Geeeezzz.

You should have stayed awake through the training. Take it again and learn this time. No law enforcement agency is training people to shoot someone in the leg. NONE. Period.


I was awake, dickwit. You should learn to read.

They taught the dumb-pig method of "shoot 'em all dead".

I didn't buy their weak minded pig shit. I can hit a leg and I outshot all but one of the pigs.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Cazeilles Comments: 13788, member since Wed Apr 09, 2003
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 06:57 AM
BurnParis wrote:


Cazeilles wrote:

The dog was the perfect answer to this situation in an urban environment without putting bystanders life at risk.


Wrong. Totally wrong. Sending a dog up against someone armed with am iron bar, who has already brushed off a tazer and mace spray will result in a dead or seriously injured dog, and ultimately a dead criminal. They minimized the situation and kept the dogs safe.


Yeah, whatever...

re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By breizheals Comments: 12014, member since Mon Jul 18, 2005
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 06:58 AM
Another retarded cowboys thread! Fantastic!

Fucking backward punks!
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight en>fr fr>en
By pippin Comments: 6098, member since Mon Jan 19, 2009
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 06:59 AM
BurnParis wrote:

pippin wrote:

:O Sez our very own, in house, keyboard warrior.


Said your very own, homosexual pedophile rapist,...

Pip,.. be a good old pervert and go back to sleep until you die. k?
:D Bitch.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By korbach Comments: 17623, member since Fri Jul 02, 2004
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 07:05 AM

So, Just another evidence that you are living in a fucking zoo.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Bat2 Comments: 2379, member since Wed May 25, 2011
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 07:06 AM
Coward pigs.
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By BurnParis Comments: 27422, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 07:07 AM
ReBourne wrote:

I didn't buy their weak minded pig shit. I can hit a leg and I outshot all but one of the pigs.


ROFLMAO.

Yeah, sure you can. By the way, NO ONE has ever died from a gun shot wound to the leg right?

It's just like TV!!! :D
re: Fast Food Fuckup.....Never bring a metal pipe to a gunfight (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By BurnParis Comments: 27422, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Wed Jan 25, 2012 07:16 AM
By the way - cops aren't trained to "kill",.. they're trained to use the weapon as it is intended, as a last critical defense. The thought is - if the situations does not warrant lethal force, the gun shouldn't be out of its holster.

That's to keep cops from using the gun unnecessarily and to keep jackasses like you safe from getting hit with rounds that miss "legs and hands" in an attempt to "wound" someone.
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