Turkey has reacted angrily after France's Senate passed a bill making it a crime to deny genocide was committed by Ottoman Turks against Armenians.

Turkey, which rejects the term "genocide", branded the decision "irresponsible" and threatened swift retaliatory measures.

President Nicolas Sarkozy is expected to sign the bill into law before the end of February.

Defenders of the bill point out that it covers all acts of genocide.

Armenia says that up to 1.5 million people died in 1915-16 as the Ottoman empire split.

Turkey says the number was much smaller.

'Total rupture'

Correspondents say the move threatens to cause a serious rift between France and Turkey, who are Nato allies.

"France opened a black page in its history," said Volkan Bozkir, head of the Turkish parliament's foreign affairs committee,

It's now likely that Turkey's ambassador to France will be recalled and the French ambassador may also leave Turkey.

Beyond that, Turkey may struggle to find measures that sufficiently show the government's anger.

Economic sanctions can be ruled out as Turkey has a customs union agreement with the EU and Ankara is locked into military relations with Nato.

But French businesses probably will suffer when it comes to getting access to lucrative state contracts.

There are bids open, for example, to build Turkey's first set of nuclear power stations and French companies were hoping to have a chance of that.

It may affect buying aircraft for the state airline, Turkish Airlines, but beyond that the measures are more likely to be symbolic than real.

Turkey's ambassador to France, Tahsin Burcuoglu, said the vote could cause a "total rupture" of relations between the two countries.

The foreign ministry statement hinted that the decision was influenced by looming presidential elections in France. An estimated 500,000 ethnic Armenians live in the country.

"We strongly condemn this decision which is... an example of irresponsibility," the statement said.

"Turkey is committed to taking all the necessary steps against this unjust disposition which reduces basic human values and public conscience to nothing."

The Turkish government argues that judging what happened in eastern Turkey in 1915-16 should be left to historians, and that the new French law will restrict freedom of speech.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is expected to outline possible retaliatory measures against Paris in parliament on Tuesday.

France has already recognised the killings as a genocide but the new bill means anyone denying it faces a year in jail and a fine of 45,000 euros ($57,000).

Armenia, meanwhile, described Monday's vote - by 127 votes to 86 - as "historic".

"This day will be written in gold not only in the history of friendship between the Armenian and French peoples, but also in the annals of the history of the protection of human rights," said Minister of Foreign Affairs Edward Nalbandian.

Ankara froze ties with France after the lower house passed the bill last month.

The proposed law had been made more general - outlawing the denial of any genocide - but still failed to appease Ankara.

Last week, President Sarkozy wrote to Mr Erdogan saying the bill did not single out any country. He said France recognised the "suffering endured by the Turkish people" in the final years of the Ottoman empire.

French foreign ministry spokesman Bernard Valero called on Turkey not to overreact, saying Paris considered Ankara a "very important ally". but would nonetheless stab it in the back as they do 2 all their supposed allies

Turks didn't leave survivors like the nasties did

the fact you are prohibited from having an alternate view is bad. Fucks up all lines of historical inquiry

This fucking muslim is just entitled to shut the fuck up !

Personnaly I am for total freedom of speech as per the First Amendment. Should be the rule in EU !

SO I COULD SAY, WRITE, PROCLAIM I FUCK PISSLAM, I PISS ON THE KURAN AND USE IT AS AN ASS WIPE !

Paris considered Ankara a "very important ally".

Watch your back, Turkey. That's the kiss of Judas coming from the French.

Hubertus wrote:

This fucking muslim is just entitled to shut the fuck up !

Personnaly I am for total freedom of speech as per the First Amendment. Should be the rule in EU !

SO I COULD SAY, WRITE, PROCLAIM I FUCK PISSLAM, I PISS ON THE KURAN AND USE IT AS AN ASS WIPE !

Hush up peasant. The 1st Amendment is for America only. Now shut up and bow towards Brussels.

Lord_Haw_Haw wrote:

the fact you are prohibited from having an alternate view is bad. Fucks up all lines of historical inquiry

You didn't mind it when scientific/religious discussions were prohibited. Asswipe.

looks like Yorktown will have to lead the French fleet against those Turk cunts

Let's talk straight. I find the bill stupid, but it was unthinkable to knuckle under Turkish blackmail, as other countries did...

Obama treads carefully between Armenia and Turkey

Once again, President Obama stepped carefully into the historic dispute between Turkey and Armenia, but he still got criticized.

Obama issued the annual statement on Armenian Remembrance Day on Saturday, honoring the "horrific events" that took the lives of 1.5 million Armenians in 1915 -- but declining to label it as "genocide."

Turkey, a key Islamic ally of the U.S. that angrily denies accusations of genocide, attacked Obama's statement as "one-sided."

"The statement distorts the historical facts." said the Turkish foreign ministry. "Therefore, we find it very problematic and deeply regret it ... One-sided statements that interpret controversial historical events by a selective sense of justice prevent understanding of the truth."

In his statement -- issued late Saturday -- Obama said: "I have consistently stated my own view of what occurred in 1915, and my view of that history has not changed. A full, frank, and just acknowledgment of the facts is in all our interests."

In the meantime, the chairman of the Armenian National Committee of America, Ken Hachikian, criticized Obama for a "disgraceful capitulation to Turkey's threats" and failing to acknowledge what many historians describe as genocide.

"His complicity in Turkey's denials, and his administration's active opposition to congressional recognition of the Armenian Genocide represent the very opposite of the principled and honest change he promised to bring to our country's response to this crime," Hachikian said.

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LTKilling wrote:

looks like Yorktown will have to lead the French fleet against those Turk cunts

Yep and that would not be the first time.

en.wikipedia.org . . .

crapaudazur wrote:

Let's talk straight. I find the bill stupid, but it was unthinkable to knuckle under Turkish blackmail, as other countries did...

Obama treads carefully between Armenia and Turkey

Once again, President Obama stepped carefully into the historic dispute between Turkey and Armenia, but he still got criticized.

Obama issued the annual statement on Armenian Remembrance Day on Saturday, honoring the "horrific events" that took the lives of 1.5 million Armenians in 1915 -- but declining to label it as "genocide."

Turkey, a key Islamic ally of the U.S. that angrily denies accusations of genocide, attacked Obama's statement as "one-sided."

"The statement distorts the historical facts." said the Turkish foreign ministry. "Therefore, we find it very problematic and deeply regret it ... One-sided statements that interpret controversial historical events by a selective sense of justice prevent understanding of the truth."

In his statement -- issued late Saturday -- Obama said: "I have consistently stated my own view of what occurred in 1915, and my view of that history has not changed. A full, frank, and just acknowledgment of the facts is in all our interests."

In the meantime, the chairman of the Armenian National Committee of America, Ken Hachikian, criticized Obama for a "disgraceful capitulation to Turkey's threats" and failing to acknowledge what many historians describe as genocide.

"His complicity in Turkey's denials, and his administration's active opposition to congressional recognition of the Armenian Genocide represent the very opposite of the principled and honest change he promised to bring to our country's response to this crime," Hachikian said.

content.usatoday.com . . .

Unlike the cowardly and treacherous fronch, Turkey was a trustworthy ally during the cold war.

Unlike the cowardly and treacherous fronch, Turkey was a trustworthy ally during the cold war.

Very true, you dipshit.

Turkey is the most anti-American country
Posted by Kyle Atwell in Transatlantic Relations on Thursday, November 20. 2008
Soner Cagaptay writes a letter to President-Elect Obama in Newsweek warning that Turkey, a NATO ally, is The Most Anti-American Nation:
Dear President-Elect Obama: As you take office, I am enthusiastically watching your desire to win hearts and minds around the world. But I am concerned in particular about Turkey. This nation is the embodiment of what the United States and the West want to achieve around the world. It is predominantly Muslim, yet Western and democratic. But the Turks are vehemently anti-American, so much so that they consistently rank in polls as the most anti-American country in the world. According to the Pew Center's latest poll, only 12 percent of the Turks like the United States—fewer, even, than the percentage of Pakistanis. Obamania in Turkey will help you change America's image, but given the dismal numbers, I am afraid that might not be enough. Despite the close cooperation with the United States on Iraq, Turkey's ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) government has taken the easy way, bashing America at home in an attempt to boost its own popularity. But you should not ignore Turkey. Because of its strategic location, Turkey is a key partner to the United States in tackling many foreign-policy challenges. You will need Turkish support and the Turkish base at Incirlik to achieve many of your goals, such as withdrawing troops from Iraq.
Turkish frustration with the European Union is understandable considering Europeans have been teasing Turkey with the prospect of EU membership for decades. A series of essays on Turkey - EU relations is available in the most recent issue of Re-public journal titled “Turkey – European Union: A long-standing misunderstanding” (HT: Kevin Hilke)

On the other hand, anti-US sentiment is a little more surprising. Cagaptay’s argument that Turkey is the most anti-American country (or at least very close to it) is further corroborated by polls from the 2007 Pew Global Attitudes Project, which show Turks as having one of the lowest “very favorable” views toward the US at about 2% and the highest “very unfavorable” rating at 75% (PDF: poll on world perspective toward the US on page 6).

atlanticreview.org . . .

it would be the first time as Vice-Admiral Sir Edward Codrington, Allied commander-in-chief at the Battle of Navarino was a Limey.

A veteran of Trafalgar commanded Orion, captured a frog ship,An impetuous fighting sailor, he entirely lacked diplomatic finesse, a quality he despised and derisively ascribed to his French counterpart, H. de Rigny. He was also a sympathiser with the Greek cause, having joined the London Philhellenic Committee

the Americans want the Turks in the EU to flood it with cheap peasant Muzz labour. Many Turks don't like the EU due to the Jewish banking system

So all the pollies want Turks in and ordinary people don't. There is enough of them running rampant there as it is

How soon till the arab cock loving frogs surrender to the Turks?

FUCK france!

PARIS (AP)- Frog parliament proposing new Voter ID law to pacify Turk outrage over Armenian issue. Kardashian whores become overnight sensation in Frankenreichistan.

bbc.co.uk/frogs-capitulate-to-koranimals.html

France's Senate passed a bill making it a crime to deny genocide was committed by Ottoman Turks against Armenians.

....

what?

They made it illegal to .. deny a belief.

Like... If I tell someone that I don't believe X, ... I go to jail.

pig fr*nch savages... disgusting animals.

Dewi_Sant wrote:

Turkish fury at French vote on Armenian genocide law

Turkish fury ?

Damn.

Makes me feel so bad.

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balls wrote:



what?

They made it illegal to .. deny a belief.

Like... If I tell someone that I don't believe X, ... I go to jail.

pig fr*nch savages... disgusting animals.

Holocaust denial has been a crime in france for decades.

Nothing new here.

Frogs have freedom of speech as long as that speech hasn't been declared illegal.

Denial of war crimes, racist or homophobic statements, insulting politicians or religions, are all crimes in france.

www.ejpress.org . . .

jerrylewissux wrote:

Frogs have freedom of speech as long as that speech hasn't been declared illegal.

Denial of war crimes, racist or homophobic statements, insulting politicians or religions, are all crimes in france.

www.ejpress.org . . .

You mean that if I lived in fronce, I couldn't say that Sarko is a dwarf peter-puffer?

What a shitty country.

jerrylewissux wrote:

...Holocaust denial has been a crime in france for decades...

As in Germany, selective Revisionism has long been a crime. However, I never heard of a case where anyone in France has been jailed or even extradited to Germany for commiting it (Germany has denied extraditing a pedarast/murderer to face French justice for decades now. Perhaps, the reason for the stand off?).
It's nice to see that, unlike Germany, France has legislated out the selective prosecution of revisionism still practiced in Germany. Since many Turks reside here, I'm waiting for the 1st arrest and imprisonment of a Turk resident/German passport bearer caught in or extraordinarily redited to France

I'm waiting for another round of car-burnings to commence in Flance and Krautland.

Europe: jihadist playground

Klausbarbie wrote:

As in Germany, selective Revisionism has long been a crime.

Bullshit. Just certain kinds of revisionism. The fronch and the Nazis revise history all the time.

PopsFrost wrote:

Klausbarbie wrote:

As in Germany, selective Revisionism has long been a crime.

Bullshit. Just certain kinds of revisionism. The fronch and the Nazis revise history all the time.

the brick head has talked.Dumber than a rock.

Klausbarbie wrote:

As in Germany, selective Revisionism has long been a crime. However, I never heard of a case where anyone in France has been jailed or even extradited to Germany for commiting it (Germany has denied extraditing a pedarast/murderer to face French justice for decades now. Perhaps, the reason for the stand off?).
It's nice to see that, unlike Germany, France has legislated out the selective prosecution of revisionism still practiced in Germany. Since many Turks reside here, I'm waiting for the 1st arrest and imprisonment of a Turk resident/German passport bearer caught in or extraordinarily redited to France

www.ejpress.org . . .

PARIS (AFP-EJP)---A 38-year-old French chemical engineer was sentenced this week to one year in prison and fined 10,000 euros (14,600 dollars) for denying the Holocaust.

Vincent Reynouard was convicted by a criminal court in Salerne, eastern France, for writing a 16-page pamphlet in 2005 entitled "Holocaust? The Hidden Facts."

The work sent to museums and city halls across France described as "an old propaganda theme" the death of six million Jews during World War II, saying such an extermination was "impossible."

www.jailingopinions.com . . .

In 2005, Reynouard wrote and sent to numerous tourism offices, museums and town halls a 16-page brochure entitled "Holocaust? Here’s what’s kept hidden from you…”, in which he took a view altogether opposite to that of academic history. French justice immediately pounced upon him.

His trial in 2007 at the criminal court in Saverne (Alsace) resulted in a sentence of one year’s imprisonment, a fine of 10,000 euros and an order to pay damages of 3,000 euros to the antiracist league “LICRA”. In June 2008 the court of appeal in Colmar upheld the prison sentence and ordered him to pay a total of 60,000 euros (a 20,000 euro fine, damages, mandatory publication of the ruling and court fees). Severity as never seen before.

Since he resides in Belgium, France launched a European arrest warrant for Reynouard in order to make him serve the prison sentence ordered by the Colmar court. On July 9th he was imprisoned by the Belgian police, pending his extradition to France. All of which leads him to say: "When people can think of no other way but imprisonment to get rid of a verbal opponent, it’s because they have no arguments."