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France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 9)  en>fr fr>en
By Hadrian Comments: 11172, member since Fri Jun 03, 2005
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:47 AM
Standard & Poor's has downgraded France's credit rating, French TV reported Friday, while several other euro zone countries face the same fate later in the day, according to reports.

Standard & Poor's has downgraded France's credit rating, French TV reported Friday, while several other euro zone countries face the same fate later in the day, according to reports.

Germany and the Netherlands aren't among those facing a downgrade, a senior euro zone government source told Reuters. Another source confirmed "several" countries would be hit.

"Remain alert tonight when U.S. markets close," said another euro zone source.

US stocks slumped in reaction to the report that S&P had downgraded France. European shares also extended their decline.

In December, S&P placed the ratings of 15 euro zone countries on credit watch negative— including those of top-rated Germany and France, the region's two biggest economies—and said "systemic stresses" were building up as credit conditions tighten in the 17-nation bloc.

Since then, the European Central Bank has flooded the banking system with cheap three-year money to avert a credit crunch. At the time, the U.S.-based ratings agency said it could also downgrade the euro zone's current bailout fund, the EFSF.

"The consequence (if France is downgraded) is that the EFSF cannot keep its triple-A rating," said Commerzbank chief economist Joerg Kraemer.

"That may irritate markets in the short term but wouldn't be a big problem in a world where the U.S. and Japan also don't have a triple-A rating anymore. Triple-A is a dying species," he said.



S&P has said that if a downgrade did materialize, countries such as Germany, Austria, Belgium, Finland, the Netherlands and Luxembourg would likely see ratings cuts of only one notch.

The other nine countries—most notably triple A-rated France—could suffer downgrades of up to two notches.

A spokesperson for S&P in Paris declined to comment on the reports. A French financy ministry spokesperson was not immediately available for comment.

John Wraith, Fixed Income Strategist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch told CNBC the confirmation of a mass downgrade would be another serious step in the crisis and would lead to a serious worsening of sentiment.

"To a large degree it’s widely anticipated," Wraith said. "However, we think the reality of it is going to have a knock-on, ongoing impact on these markets."

“It clearly deteriorates still further the credit worthiness of a lot of the European banks and just keeps that negative feedback loop between struggling banks and the sovereigns that may have to support them if things go from bad to worse in full force,” Wraith added.

A downgrade could automatically require some investment funds to sell bonds of affected states, making those countries' borrowing costs rise still further.

"It's been priced in for several weeks, but the market had been lulled into complacency over the holidays, and the new year began with a bounce in risk appetite, thanks partly to a good Spanish auction," said Samarjit Shankar, Director Of Global Fx Strategy at BNY Mellon in Boston.

"But the Italian auction brought us back to earth and now we face the spectre of further downgrades."

Italy's three-year debt costs fell below 5 percent on Friday but its first bond sale of the year failed to match the success of a Spanish auction the previous day, reflecting the heavy refinancing load Rome faces over the next three months.

23 Replies to France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports

re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By NOZZLE Comments: 13618, member since Mon Mar 07, 2005
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:50 AM
taly's three-year debt costs fell below 5 percent on Friday but its first bond sale of the year failed to match the success of a Spanish auction the previous day, reflecting the heavy refinancing load Rome faces over the next three months.


Who bought them?
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By Hadrian Comments: 11172, member since Fri Jun 03, 2005
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:54 AM
NOZZLE wrote:

taly's three-year debt costs fell below 5 percent on Friday but its first bond sale of the year failed to match the success of a Spanish auction the previous day, reflecting the heavy refinancing load Rome faces over the next three months.


Who bought them?


Maybe GasPutin, so he can have them grabbed by the balls just a little bit more when he shuts the gas off in the near future.
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports en>fr fr>en
By Mournblade Comments: 443, member since Sat Oct 24, 2009
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:55 AM
Same story already posted: www.fuckfrance.com . . .

Someone remove these dupe postings.
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Hadrian Comments: 11172, member since Fri Jun 03, 2005
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:58 AM
Mournblade wrote:

Same story already posted: www.fuckfrance.com . . .

Someone remove these dupe postings.


Somebody tell Brian Gerbil aka GreyUhu to fuck off with his dupe account.

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re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By WilyB Comments: 27947, member since Sat Apr 26, 2003
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:03 AM
Bad news for Mr. Hollande. I guess Sarko might turn this in his favor, the "Don't swap horses when crossing a stream" adage might work for him.

It's clearly good news for Lepen, and this is bad news for France.

Interesting times indeed.
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By BrasherBoot Comments: 7368, member since Thu Jul 14, 2005
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:52 AM
Edited by BrasherBoot (77424) on 2012-01-13 11:53:52
Edited by BrasherBoot (77424) on 2012-01-13 11:54:18
Its likely to be formally announced at 8pm GMT today.. (thats approx 2 hrs time)

It could also force France to default on debt

How exciting
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Armonteutmaronne Comments: 8884, member since Sun May 20, 2007
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:11 PM
WilyB wrote:

Bad news for Mr. Hollande. I guess Sarko might turn this in his favor, the "Don't swap horses when crossing a stream" adage might work for him.

It's clearly good news for Lepen, and this is bad news for France.

Interesting times indeed.


Vendredi 13, sale temps pour les Nains !

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re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 9)  en>fr fr>en
By ibigmangmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 17752, member since Thu Oct 06, 2005
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:15 PM
Maybe we shouldn't tell Samplefrinch...
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By VAVD Comments: 2685, member since Wed Nov 25, 2009
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:32 PM
ibigmang wrote:

Maybe we shouldn't tell Samplefrinch...


I'm afraid Simple already found out and became so distraught that he attempted to take his own life by cutting his wrists.

Fortunately, he tried to do so with an electric razor and will be back online once he recovers from the tazing administered by the police on the way to the psychiatric ward.
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By FrogFryer Comments: 36303, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:41 PM
not official yet
But yeah S&P they warn people before they do it .
Neither S&P, nor the French Finance Ministry would comment, AFP reported.


France's triple-A rating is used as a kind of collateral in the EFSF structure, the vehicle they're using to prop up the sovereign debt market,".

"S&P may be signaling a France downgrade is in play. If it's France, then we have a new variable in the European debt crisis,"


OH my dear lord satan

2 clicks

oh please please please please please
Amen

HAIL
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports en>fr fr>en
By BrasherBoot Comments: 7368, member since Thu Jul 14, 2005
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:56 PM
The clock is ticking. 1 hr to go.

The Frenchies will pin the Blame on the English at some point.

Makes you proud. Perfidious albion lol
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By iciparis Comments: 3706, member since Tue Jul 18, 2006
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 01:27 PM
One frog's leg less, it seems. Springs to mind they'll be hopping mad about that as there can only be one 'left' and that will need a crutch to get about. What, and that with no spine on top!

Interesting times ahead indeed WilyB.
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By trainer Comments: 5355, member since Tue Mar 29, 2005
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 02:51 PM
An S&P receptionist is trying to figure out how to handle the French surrender delegation that just showed up at her desk.
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By iciparis Comments: 3706, member since Tue Jul 18, 2006
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 04:31 PM
BrasherBoot wrote:

The clock is ticking. 1 hr to go.

The Frenchies will pin the Blame on the English at some point.

Makes you proud. Perfidious albion lol


Going, going, gone.

Twinkle, twinkle little eurostar,
now I wonder where you are?
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Global_Villagemember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 9314, member since Sun Aug 07, 2005
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:39 PM
France Downgraded by S&P


Seriously, I still don't understand why are we giving so much credit to these rating agencies... These guys are part of the banking system, and guess who's paying to bail them out? In 2008, few days before the financial collapse, they were still giving tripe A to everybody! :? So it's either incompetence or conflict of interest..

Good read...
"Fraud and Greed of Trusted Rating Agencies Helped Spread the Credit Crisis"

moneymorning.com . . .
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports en>fr fr>en
By TexanForever Comments: 19208, member since Thu Jun 10, 2004
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:41 PM
.


... Bush again



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re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By GhostDivision Comments: 3584, member since Thu Feb 09, 2006
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 07:27 PM
Edited by GhostDivision (79003) on 2012-01-13 19:29:31



Schadenfreudewunderland! ;)

France weeps, blames Krauts.


www.forbes.com . . .
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By FrogFryer Comments: 36303, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 07:34 PM
GhostDivision wrote:

Schadenfreudewunderland! ;)

France weeps, blames Krauts.


www.forbes.com . . .


their they go again

blaming others


germany should take a few countries along with the UK and throw everyone else out on thier asses . a small union of few

the french are useless and dead weight .
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports en>fr fr>en
By simplefrench Comments: 63973, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 08:01 PM
Edited by simplefrench (60194) on 2012-01-13 20:01:50
Edited by simplefrench (60194) on 2012-01-13 20:02:07
"the french are useless and dead weight "


if you had a brain..you would know that France and Usa are both AA+ and AAA with the 2 other agencies(Fitch and Moody)
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports en>fr fr>en
By GhostDivision Comments: 3584, member since Thu Feb 09, 2006
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 08:02 PM
Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha! Sie verlienren, beschissen Frösche! ;)
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports en>fr fr>en
By Armonteutmaronne Comments: 8884, member since Sun May 20, 2007
On Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:58 PM
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re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By OldLyme Comments: 35701, member since Fri Jun 04, 2004
On Thu Jan 19, 2012 07:27 PM
Learn about dining etiquette in France. Dining is a very important aspect of French culture. Meal times are important times. They involve eating, most often, healthy and conversing uninterrupted with friends or family.
re: France Downgraded by S&P, Others Set to Follow: Reports (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Hadrian Comments: 11172, member since Fri Jun 03, 2005
On Thu Jan 19, 2012 07:40 PM
OldLyme wrote:

Learn about dining etiquette in France. Dining is a very important aspect of French culture. Meal times are important times. They involve eating, most often, healthy and conversing uninterrupted with friends or family.


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