LTKilling wrote:

JESUS CHRIST

THIS IS GLASGOW!!! holy shit how do people survive in that post apocalyptical shithole!!!!



FUCKING MAD MAX but in the city

You should take a vacation there, LTK. You could have an exiting time. Slashing has been going on through the previous century, when one carried a cutthroat razor in one's breast pocket.

lord_of_the_air wrote:

About time! The UK is a disgrace of a sinking ship...better jump overboard before it's too late!

I did nearly 12years ago, but keep getting bullshit thrown at me for doing so.

pippin wrote:

lord_of_the_air wrote:

About time! The UK is a disgrace of a sinking ship...better jump overboard before it's too late!

I did nearly 12years ago, but keep getting bullshit thrown at me for doing so.

The Scots are taking their whole nation with them.You just flounced off to froggyville for the gay sex.

mikgof wrote:

Especially as a higher percentage of English want Scottish independence than do the Scots themselves. No one likes to be unwelcome, so Scotland will have little choice but to vote for independence. Within a decade, hopefully sooner, much sooner, Scotland will be independent.

With neighbors like this,it's good to be unwanted!

Excellent, Jeanv's first sentence says it all in one go, either that or he is a truly deluded (eu)peon, i.e. bamstick, bampot, heid the baw', depending on where you come from.

"Even if that stance means you'll never have a say in world diplomacy, it is better to have complete control over one's country than to delegate some powers to a bigger Union that would matter."

You have just summed up the the EU to a tee! A pure stoater frae Jimmyv, a total brammer!

iciparis wrote:

"Even if that stance means you'll never have a say in world diplomacy,

it is better to have complete control over one's country than to delegate some powers to a bigger Union that would matter."

You have just summed up the the EU to a tee!

Bingo, Iciparis.

You spotted the point of this thread: to poke fun of people who are Eurosceptics but bemoan Scotland's drive for independence.


Either size matters, and the EU is the logical choice for Britain,

or size doesn't matter, and Scotland's independence is OK.


More than OK: Scots might find independence nice?

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Most Britons are in favor of Scotland's independence, you moron.

The English are more in favor than the Scots themselves!

Who is bemoaning it, fool?

How's your infrasonic airline coming along, by the way?

jeanv wrote:

You spotted the point of this thread: to poke fun of people who are Eurosceptics but bemoan Scotland's drive for independence.

Hadrian wrote:

Most Britons are in favor of Scotland's independence, you moron.

I already told you, dear Hadrian, in your zeal to bark at my every post, you tend to shed your customary logic.


The fact the majority in both England and Scotland supported Scottish independence www.telegraph.co.uk . . .

is compatible with the fact there are millions 'who are Eurosceptics but bemoan Scotland's drive for independence'


Infrasonic planes, 20Hz, come to think of it, at least Caz was wittier than you've become..

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me i like the UK as it is, but i'm a eurosceptic, i understand & care for the Scots and Taffs i try to understand the Micks, i don't particularly care for europe, Chamberlains opinion of the Czechs comes to mind

yes SHE WANTS MY SPANISH MEAT,

she is 21 years old, my meat will fill her good

SPANIARD ARYAN

LTKilling wrote:

SPANISH MEAT,

All that Scottish oil money (if independent) would go to their NHS for treating heroin addiction, alcoholism, fried pizza induced clogged arteries, and Old Firm spectator injuries.

LTKilling wrote:



yes SHE WANTS MY SPANISH MEAT,

she is 21 years old, my meat will fill her good

SPANIARD ARYAN

I see she's met you, already.

jeanv wrote:

iciparis wrote:

"Even if that stance means you'll never have a say in world diplomacy,

it is better to have complete control over one's country than to delegate some powers to a bigger Union that would matter."

You have just summed up the the EU to a tee!

Bingo, Iciparis.

You spotted the point of this thread: to poke fun of people who are Eurosceptics but bemoan Scotland's drive for independence.


Either size matters, and the EU is the logical choice for Britain,

or size doesn't matter, and Scotland's independence is OK.


More than OK: Scots might find independence nice?

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Jimmyv

You are contradicting yourself - look at what you wrote.

"it is better to have complete control over one's country than to delegate some powers to a bigger Union that would matter."

Scotland is already part of a Union that is already quite big enough without "the elephant in the room". And by the way, whatever that buffoon Salmond says, Scotland has done very well out of being part of the UK. On the other hand, the 'Union' run by the corrupt continental "colleagues" have done nothing but harm the interests of Scotland and the the other parts of the UK (intentionally).

Only logical way forward is for the entire UK to have a referendum to get out of eu. Once out, if that's the way the referendum goes, Scotland can then go on to have its own referendum to become an independent country, if that is what it wants. That is the only way forward for any country that values its sovereignty and independence.

You cannot be an independent country and be part of the eu at the same time. It is known.

Jimmyv, dae us awe a wee favour pal an stoap bein such a pure divvy; i.e. grow a brain.

iciparis wrote:

Scotland is already part of a Union that is already quite big enough.

But that's the whole point, isn't it?

i.e., what's the critical mass a country/group of countries need to have in the XXIst century?

The guys defining the game in 2050-2100 will be China, India and the US.

A united Europe can be a 4th player. (A united Umma a malevolent 5th?).



Britain on its own will not be 'quite big enough' by then.

It hasn't been since 1956, date when London started taking its diplomatic orders from Washington.

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traitor lah!
population of spore 3m leh

S'pore with population small size can dance and react quickly lah, whilst big federations can are doing deals to appease Luxembourg and Ireland (lah)
go direct to Changi, do not pass orchard Road (lah!)

jeanv wrote:

iciparis wrote:

Scotland is already part of a Union that is already quite big enough.

But that's the whole point, isn't it?

i.e., what's the critical mass a country/group of countries need to have in the XXIst century?

The guys defining the game in 2050-2100 will be China, India and the US.

A united Europe can be a 4th player. (A united Umma a malevolent 5th?).



Britain on its own will not be 'quite big enough' by then.

It hasn't been since 1956, date when London started taking its diplomatic orders from Washington.

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It's true that Britain has been a client state of America but that was due to spineless politicians and old farts who moaned about the collapse of the British Empire. Sad old gits who thought that being America's lackey would give Britain an unmerited rise of status on the world stage. We didn't have to. What would America have done? Not a lot! France defied America over Iraq and what did America do? Renamed French fries to freedom fries. One hell of a retaliation. What would America have done if our politicians had refused to toe the American line? Banned Tea drinking perhaps.

Jimmyv's view of an independent "country"

Maybe the USA could tow the fucking country over there and put em to work in the nigger cities of the states?

lookanlearn wrote:

Maybe the USA could tow the fucking country over there and put em to work in the nigger cities of the states?

What 'fucking country' are you talking about lookandlearn?

Once again England has pointed the way forward: over the centuries it successfully united several different and mutually hostile ethnicities into one country with a common currency, common armed forces, common laws (with some exceptions), common taxation, common language and so on.

Our beloved EU has a long way to go and will need many years to emulate that, but inspired by the example of British union they needn't worry.

The English are of course the top dogs in this union, rather like the French and Germans are top dogs in the EU. Nothing wrong with that, as long as everybody understands and accepts it!

In most other countries, whether France, Germany or America, the UK is frequently just called England - even today, Scotch and Welsch people are often enraged when they're called English. But it just reflects foreigners' acceptance of political and cultural realities.

Of course it wasn't all plain sailing for the English-led Union: the Welsch, Scotch and Irish had to be smacked down regularly, and their sovereignty, political institutions, culture, language and religious beliefs had to be suppressed (apart from a few vestiges their English masters have allowed them to resurrect/salvage, mainly in order to fleece unwary tourists). No great loss - as long as the top culture, the English one, prevailed.

(The reason I don't really like being "British" is because that label includes the Scotch, Welsch, Micks, blacks and paks etc. It's being "English" which is the real source of satisfaction - and knowing that my (Germanic) ancestors humiliated and subjugated these inferior groups and that today they speak OUR language, and not vice versa).

An in/out referendum will get nowhere: the Scotch economy is not viable on its own, and the Scotch know it. Cameron is right on this: if they insist on a referendum, the question should be "in or out?", and not a fudged "yes but": the Scotch would like best to vote for autonomy in everything - without any English interference, but all paid for by England's money, while benefiting from continued union. But nothing doing: it's all or nothing, in or out. And in an in/out referendum the Scotch will get cold feet when it comes to the crunch - just watch!

If the Scotch really make trouble, we can find a Butcher Cumberland somewhere: England has always been able to defeat the so-called "martial race" of skirt-wearers.

I want Scotch independence.

It means England will have no more fuckwit leftie Labour governments. Hurrah!

Wulfrun wrote:


An in/out referendum will get nowhere: the Scotch economy is not viable on its own, and the Scotch know it. Cameron is right on this: if they insist on a referendum, the question should be "in or out?", and not a fudged "yes but": the Scotch would like best to vote for autonomy in everything - without any English interference, but all paid for by England's money, while benefiting from continued union. But nothing doing: it's all or nothing, in or out. And in an in/out referendum the Scotch will get cold feet when it comes to the crunch - just watch!


The SNP are playing games. They're not serious about independence. The SNP Finance minister was just interviewed by Andrew Neill and he said that the Bank of England would after independence still control Scottish fiscal policy. What sort of independence is that? Independence should mean having full control of your own economy. They're planning to screw ever more concessions and money out of the UK parliament.


I don't think that the SNP's plans are going to work. It is not in the Tory party's interest for Scotland to remain in the Union. At the moment Labour only needs to secure about 33% of the vote to win a general election, the Tories over 40% and the Lib-dems 56%. In the main because of Scottish voting habits. Take Scotland out of the picture and the Tories would have an overall majority, most of the time. That is why Cameron has really pushed for a Scottish referendum. No more coalitions, just out and out majorities most of the time.

Wulfrun wrote:

Once again England has pointed the way forward: over the centuries it successfully united several different and mutually hostile ethnicities into one country with a common currency, common armed forces, common laws (with some exceptions), common taxation, common language and so on.

Our beloved EU ... dribble, schitzoid rambling, dribble...

Hawd yer horses right there pal. ('Steady the buffs, old bean' in 'proper' English)

Who is this mysterious 'Our' wolfie?

Might it be this sub-human(?)oid freak?

Wow. Aren't we lucky. Every citizen of 27 countries can now place their national flag where that of the UK is in the cartoon and bow down and swear allegiance to 'Our' - The Glorious Leader.

I've pointed this out a couple of times in the past wolfie, but nothing wrong with a quick reminder. Could you please use the pronoun 'I' when when you're rambling on about YOUR BELOVED EU.

BrasherBoot wrote:

I want Scotch independence.

It means England will have no more fuckwit leftie Labour governments. Hurrah!

Makes sense when looked at from that angle, as neither would the Scots, and I presume the Northern Irish and the Welsh for that matter. Quids in all round, I'd say.