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Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Whatchamacallitmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 38780, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:54 AM
Edited by Whatchamacallit (73707) on 2012-01-08 10:54:58
Edited by Whatchamacallit (73707) on 2012-01-08 10:56:08
I like that. Were it not for Henry and his true daughter Elizabeth, no America, no protestant power, the whole world a misery under the Spanish catholic iron rule.


the Daily Mail wrote:




Henry VIII had a secret daughter who should have taken the throne before Elizabeth I, historian claims
Elizabeth Tailboys would have changed the course of British history had the King acknowledged her as his
Revelation unearthed by a historian who has re-examined royal records into the life of Henry VIII's famous mistress Bessie Blount

By Nadia Gilani

Last updated at 1:25 PM on 8th January 2012

King Henry VIII had a secret daughter who should have taken the throne before Elizabeth I, new research has revealed.

Elizabeth Tailboys was the Tudor monarch's illegitimate lovechild who would have changed the course of British history had the King acknowledged her as his at the time.

By rights she should have taken the throne on the death of Queen Mary in 1558, making her the true Elizabeth I and not Elizabeth, the daughter of Anne Boleyn.

The decision would have had far reaching consequences for British history and the succession of every monarch since.

For example, Britain may be been invaded by the Spanish Armada which was actually seen off by the English fleet inspired by the real Elizabeth I in 1588.

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The country could also have become embroiled in religious turmoil as Elizabeth I was credited with religous settlement by founding the Church of England.

And with Elizabeth Tailboys' own children on the throne instead of James I and Charles I, the country may have avoided Civil War, and the rule of Parliamentarians.

The revelation has been unearthed by historian Elizabeth Norton who has re-examined royal records as part of an investigation into the life of Henry VIII's famous mistress Bessie Blount.

Mrs Norton discovered Elizabeth Tailboy's was not the daughter of Bessie's future husband Gilbert Tailboys as previously thought, but the secret lovechild of the King.

Mrs Norton found Elizabeth was born between April and June 1520, a year after her brother Henry, who was acknowledged as the King's.

Both children were conceived during a period when Henry VIII lived a few miles away from Bessie's home and when he was known to visit her regularly.

This was also two years before Bessie married Gilbert Tailboys who later gave Elizabeth his surname.

The date of Elizabeth's birth made her younger than Mary I but older than Elizabeth, both of whom were also declared illegitimate by the King when he deemed his marriages to their mothers invalid.

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However, because he acknowledged them as his, they were included in the Tudor succession after Henry failed to produce further sons.

The historian also noted the King paid particular attention to Elizabeth throughout his life, unusually adjudicating on court cases involving her and securing her financial interests.

Mrs Norton, an author and historian who studied at Cambridge and Oxford universities, said: 'If Henry had acknowledged her, it could have changed the whole course of British history.

'Bessie Blount is widely known to have been Henry's mistress, and she was already the mother of his acknowledged son Henry Fitzroy.

'But I believe the evidence and dates make it likely that he was also the father of her second daughter Elizabeth.

'As far as we know, she was conceived about three years before she met her husband Gilbert Tailboys, who would later give her his surname.

'At that time, Henry was staying in the same area as Bessie, within ten miles of her for the whole summer.

'Put simply, we know he was sleeping with her mother.

'In addition to the conception dates, there is also legal evidence that Henry took a personal interest in Bessie and Elizabeth's affairs.

'It would have been very odd for a King to take such an interest in a girl with a relatively minor title otherwise.

'It's highly probably that she was the King's child, but because she was a girl she was of little significance to him - he had no reason to acknowledge her as he did her brother.

'If he had acknowledged her, he would have had to consider her in the succession along with his two other illegitimate daughters, Mary and Elizabeth.

'That would result in further problems for Henry.

'To include two 'illegitimate' daughters in the succession but not a third would suggest that some of his illegitimate daughers were perhaps less illegitimate than others - a political point the King had no wish to make.'

Bessie also had a third child, George Tailboys, born two years after Elizabeth and indisputably fathered by her husband Gilbert.

Mrs Norton has now published the startling research in a new book, Bessie Blount; Mistress to Henry VIII, which is available from Amberley Publishing costing £25.



Even though a tough statement, we all know the religion of the bastard child, it is called pisslam, the everlasting tale of Israel and Ishmael, God forbid.

Same could be said about Elizabeth because she was Ann Boleyn's daughter. But Ann Boleyn was a very great historic figure. The catholic church had managed to encroach upon all national sovereignties by compelling monarchs to spouse foreign princesses. By the same reason the Tudors took power, establishing a British dynasty, Ann Boleyn managed to evict the spanish whore and be a all-British wife to the King of the United Kingdom. And so also she compelled Henry to establish the Anglican Church, a sovereign church not controlled by the Pope.

The rule of papal supremacy made sense, except it granted absolute extra-national powers to ... wops. So Italians had replaced the Roman imperial despotism by another Roman despotism.

When Queen Mary, the daughter of the spanish whore, ascended to the throne, she just tried to undo the whole and restore the catholic dictatorship over the UK.

Thanks God Elizabeth undid everything Mary had tried her luck doing.


25 Replies to Henry VIII had a secret daughter

re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter en>fr fr>en
By WilyB Comments: 27897, member since Sat Apr 26, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:56 AM
Had the Duke of Parma marched on London on August 8, 1588, this forum would be in Spanish and the world would celebrate that day as a national holiday.
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Whatchamacallitmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 38780, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:05 PM
WilyB wrote:

Had the Duke of Parma marched on London on August 8, 1588, this forum would be in Spanish and the world would celebrate that day as a national holiday.




Were you not what you are, you'd be the most popular member of FFcom.

re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Lord_Buckhouse Comments: 4276, member since Wed May 27, 2009
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:13 PM
Watched Cate Blanchett play Queen Elizabeth again the other day. Great movie. The French got portrayed in a manner they deserved. A beaten bunch of cross dressing creeps who lost yet again.
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter en>fr fr>en
By WilyB Comments: 27897, member since Sat Apr 26, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:55 PM
Whatchamacallit wrote:

Were you not what you are, you'd be the most popular member of FFcom.


That may be your (and BornPedo's) dream, but popularity on FF is the least of my concern.
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By ibigmangmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 17740, member since Thu Oct 06, 2005
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 01:12 PM
Sounds like it wouldn't make any difference if he did acknowledge her. He already had an acknowledged son by the same woman and he didn't figure into the succession. Why would a daughter be any different?
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter en>fr fr>en
By Whatchamacallitmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 38780, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 01:13 PM
Lord_Buckhouse wrote:

Watched Cate Blanchett play Queen Elizabeth again the other day. Great movie. The French got portrayed in a manner they deserved. A beaten bunch of cross dressing creeps who lost yet again.




I saw that movie, I wish I had seen the one with Glenda Jackson !

re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Whatchamacallitmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 38780, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 01:16 PM
ibigmang wrote:

Sounds like it wouldn't make any difference if he did acknowledge her. He already had an acknowledged son by the same woman and he didn't figure into the succession. Why would a daughter be any different?




Looks like he had many kids all over the place. You bet all Londoners today - at least the true Brits - are cousins without knowing !

re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By ibigmangmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 17740, member since Thu Oct 06, 2005
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 01:31 PM
Wouldn't surprise me. I've heard the genealogists say that most western europeans are descended from Karl der Grosse.
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By LTKilling Comments: 7277, member since Sun Aug 14, 2005
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 03:27 PM
in THE TUDORS( show) they show the Catholics as the good guys and the king and his CUNT PROTESTANTES as the bastards they where

they where no christians, they just wanted to steal the church land because they WHERE BROKE

the Emperor of Spain and Holy Roman Empire kicked his ass and put Henry in his place

even the king of France was not as bad ass as people from Spain back then

CUNTS

and Portugal, fuck you cunts siding with the Englisherfags
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter en>fr fr>en
By Whatchamacallitmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 38780, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 03:30 PM
LTKilling wrote:

in THE TUDORS( show) they show the Catholics as the good guys and the king and his CUNT PROTESTANTES as the bastards they where

they where no christians, they just wanted to steal the church land because they WHERE BROKE

the Emperor of Spain and Holy Roman Empire kicked his ass and put Henry in his place

even the king of France was not as bad ass as people from Spain back then

CUNTS

and Portugal, fuck you cunts siding with the Englisherfags




Don't worry, be happy. Anglos rule the world ! Together with the Chinese and Japanese. Krauts are eternal losers.

re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter en>fr fr>en
By LTKilling Comments: 7277, member since Sun Aug 14, 2005
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 03:36 PM
long live the TRUE QUEEN

Catherine of Aragon

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re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Nappybonesapart Comments: 15527, member since Fri Aug 27, 2004
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 03:38 PM
Henry Fitzroy died aged 17 within Henry 8 reign, hes the only recognised Royal bastard of Henry 8, TB got him

If we are playing what if Tudors , how about my neighbour Lady Jane Grey 'most intelligent women in Europe' reigning longer than 9 days and beating bloody Mary
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter en>fr fr>en
By LTKilling Comments: 7277, member since Sun Aug 14, 2005
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 03:40 PM
Image hotlink - 'http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Hans_Holbein_d._J._065.jpg/476px-Hans_Holbein_d._J._065.jpg'

the Tudors was an AMAZING SHOW, it show the barbarity of the protestants

Saint Thomas More is standing besides God in his throne you cunts
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Whatchamacallitmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 38780, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 03:42 PM





God save the true Queen Anne Boleyn

Down with the spanish whore of Aragon !

re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By LTKilling Comments: 7277, member since Sun Aug 14, 2005
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 03:47 PM
The Blood of Martyrs



long live CARDINAL FISHER and SIR THOMAS MORE
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Nappybonesapart Comments: 15527, member since Fri Aug 27, 2004
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 03:57 PM
Foxe's Book of English Martyrs, chapter 13 lists papist crimes against the Christians of this timewww.gutenberg.org . . .



Bloody Mary is not called that coz she liked a drink
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter en>fr fr>en
By Whatchamacallitmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 38780, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 04:30 PM
Edited by Whatchamacallit (73707) on 2012-01-08 16:43:43
Nappybonesapart wrote:

Foxe's Book of English Martyrs, chapter 13 lists papist crimes against the Christians of this timewww.gutenberg.org . . .



Bloody Mary is not called that coz she liked a drink




The burning of Jeanne d'Arc is one of their most repugnant crimes.

After her death the Pope had to review her case, rehabilitate her memory and make her a saint.

No one has ever dared publishing the figure of women burned as witches throughout the Catholic era. Not to mention the inquisition and worse, the second war of religions.

While they all talk of the St Bartholemy massacre, that killed only a few thousand protestants, it was only the beginning of a long record of mass murder that culminates with Louis the XVth.

en.wikipedia.org . . .

www.regard.eu.org . . .

en.wikipedia.org . . .

Curiously, most websites are very silent as for the global figure of casulaties during the reign of Louis the XIVth and Louis the XVth. Yet here it is true that after the revocation of the Edit the Nantes, Portestants launched a full scale guerrilla against the royal troops.




re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Cazeilles Comments: 13691, member since Wed Apr 09, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 04:33 PM
Tu devrais essayer d'augmenter ta taille de police de caractère si tu veux être lu ducon.


Plus c'est gras, plus c'est grand, moins c'est intéressant.
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter en>fr fr>en
By Whatchamacallitmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 38780, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 04:44 PM
Cazeilles wrote:

Tu devrais essayer d'augmenter ta taille de police de caractère si tu veux être lu ducon.


Plus c'est gras, plus c'est grand, moins c'est intéressant.




If you try brain enlargement, perhaps you'd become a bit intelligent ?

re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By worf Comments: 1404, member since Mon Nov 07, 2005
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 04:55 PM
All those people and their legacy will mean nothing in the near future. Their descends will be eaten alive by the multicultural cancer they imported. I am sure the Islamics will give great attention to preserving the history of people they hate, once they take complete control and kill many of the original inhabitants.
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter en>fr fr>en
By Whatchamacallitmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 38780, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 07:00 PM
Edited by Whatchamacallit (73707) on 2012-01-08 19:06:14
worf wrote:

All those people and their legacy will mean nothing in the near future. Their descends will be eaten alive by the multicultural cancer they imported. I am sure the Islamics will give great attention to preserving the history of people they hate, once they take complete control and kill many of the original inhabitants.




Come on, God will raise the troops to evict all muzz from our nations, sooner than you think.

re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By OldLyme Comments: 35619, member since Fri Jun 04, 2004
On Sun Jan 08, 2012 08:08 PM
Lord_Buckhouse wrote:

Watched Cate Blanchett play Queen Elizabeth again the other day. Great movie. The French got portrayed in a manner they deserved. A beaten bunch of cross dressing creeps who lost yet again.



Yikes!

French are ghey!
re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter en>fr fr>en
By Whatchamacallitmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 38780, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003
On Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:28 AM


Who paid attention to the blow job scene in The Tudors ? When Henry asks Anne's sister to show him the "french ways" she learned at the french court.

re: Henry VIII had a secret daughter (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Fredmassemember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 39831, member since Wed Jan 12, 2005
On Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:10 AM
"Henry VIII had a secret daughter"

Just like Mitterrand!
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