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en>fr fr>en By Whatchamacallit  Comments: 38591, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003On Fri Dec 30, 2011 09:34 PM
Don't sell the bear's skin before killing the bear, they say.
I am very touchy to that subject. My dad was partly raised in a British college and by obscure reasons grew hatred for England while he had a worship for the US.
As a result, at adult age, while going often to England for business and feeding me with British things, he kept prophesying the decadence and downfall of the British economy, ensuing the end of the colonial era. Thanks God I never took him seriously. I am used in building up my opinions all by myself.
Raised in the cult of America, I naturally ended up there, while I was not very happy each time I was in London. While in the US however, the whole reverted and I began actually loving England, until I returned to Europe and decided I had to live there.
I then spent a year in London where I began seeing things a different way. I just initially thought that England would be a substitute to America for sedating the homesickness, yet it turned out I loved it a helluva lot.
Now for the serious part, everyone knows I attended the Law School 6 years ago.
There I had the highest score in Juridic English and the lowest scores in many law matters.
Not that I am that lousy in Law. But ...
Let's take a case. We had a class in Intl relatioships and the teacher exactly repeated the same words like my father. He taught us that after WWII European powers got lost and replaced by two superpowers, the USA and the USSR.
Not to mention the fact he had forgotten China, I interrupted the teacher in the middle of his statement and told him before the whole class: "Don't sell the bear's skin before killing the bear". "England has the biggest offshore banking Empire in some of its colonies in the Carribeans".
The teacher, a typical French, tried to counter by asking me where I fished that info ! So i ridiculed him twice more by saying the stupid truth, the "Nouvel Observateur's Atlaseco". It was a special issue I had with my subscription to the magazine, it is an atlas of all nations and the pertaining economy data.
So my say is, France pushed the whole EC shit just in order for France and Germany to suck monies out of the UK, period.
While I do agree that England itself is decadent because of the excess of foreigners, which can be easily cured, it doesn't mean the British economy is bad.
the Daily Mail wrote:
Finally some good news (but not until 2050): British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts
By Hugo Duncan
Last updated at 11:47 PM on 30th December 2011
Britain will be the biggest economy in Europe with one of the wealthiest populations in the world by the middle of the century, according to leading economists.
Long-term forecasts by investment bank Goldman Sachs suggest the UK will fare better than its neighbours over the next four decades.
Britain is the third biggest economy in Europe behind Germany and France, but by 2050 it will have leapfrogged both countries.
Only people in the United States and Canada will be more prosperous by 2050, according to the report.
The UK is currently the seventh biggest economy in the world having recently been overtaken by Brazil
Dominic Wilson, chief markets economist at Goldman Sachs, said Britain faced several pressing issues such as high unemployment and weak economic growth.
‘But looking forward we think the UK is capable of holding its own and in fact moving ahead of some of the other developed economies,’ he said.
Goldman put Britain’s strong performance down to higher investment than in countries such as Germany and France.
It also said the economy would benefit from immigration which would boost the working age population. The upbeat predictions came as Britain struggles to recover from the worst financial crisis and recession since the Wall Street Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression of the 1930s.
The debt-fuelled boom and bust of the last Labour government has plunged Britain deep into the red and left households struggling to make ends meet.
Sir Mervyn King, Governor of the Bank of England, warned over the summer that the UK is only part of the way through ‘seven lean years’ after the banking crash.
Britain is the seventh biggest economy in the world having recently been pushed out of sixth place by Brazil.
The U.S. is No 1, followed by China, Japan, Germany and France.
By 2050, the UK will have fallen to ninth, having been overtaken by Indonesia, Mexico, Russia and India, but passing France and Germany, according to Goldman.
China will become the world’s biggest economy ahead of the U.S. in 2026, the report added.
But Mr Wilson said the citizens of fast-growing countries such as Brazil, Russia, India and China – collectively known as the BRICs – will still be markedly less well-off than their Western counterparts. ‘The income levels are so far ahead in the developed world that any sensible exercise leaves them likely to be the richest for some time,’ he said.
Research group IHS Global Insight yesterday predicted economic growth of 0.3 per cent in Britain in 2012 and a slump of 0.7 per cent in the eurozone.
IHS chief European economist Howard Archer said: ‘GDP is expected to contract sharply in Greece and Portugal in 2012, while declines are also anticipated in several other countries, notably including Italy, Spain and, to a lesser extent, France. Meanwhile, Germany is seen achieving only marginal growth.
‘The year 2012 is clearly going to be a very difficult one for the UK economy, with modest contraction likely to occur in the early months.
‘We expect the economy to start growing gradually in the second half of 2012.’
42 Replies to British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts | re: British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts en>fr fr>en By Whatchamacallit  Comments: 38591, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003On Sat Dec 31, 2011 05:47 AM
この変換が必要か?
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en>fr fr>en By mamud Comments: 17469, member since Mon May 21, 2007On Sat Dec 31, 2011 05:55 AM
Mithraism
One of the most popular religions of the Roman Empire, especially among Roman soldiers, was Mithraism. Its origins are Persian, and involves their ancient hierarchy of gods, as restructured by Zarathustra (c. 628-c. 551 bc) in the holy books called the Avestas.
The universe was seen as involved in an eternal fight between light and darkness, personified by Ahura-Mazda (good) vs. Ahriman (evil). This idea probably influenced Jews while they were in Babylon, which is when they adopted HaShatan -- Satan -- as the evil one!
Within the Persian pantheon, Mithra was “the judger of souls” and “the protector,” and was considered the representative of Ahura-Mazda on earth.
Mithra, legend says, was incarnated into human form (as prophesized by Zarathustra) in 272 bc. He was born of a virgin, who was called the Mother of God. Mithra's birthday was celebrated December 25 and he was called “the light of the world.” After teaching for 36 years, he ascended into heaven in 208 bc.
There were many similarities with Christianity: Mithraists believed in heaven and hell, judgement and resurrection. They had baptism and communion of bread and wine. They believed in service to God and others.
In the Roman Empire, Mithra became associated with the sun, and was referred to as the Sol Invictus, or unconquerable sun. The first day of the week -- Sunday -- was devoted to prayer to him. Mithraism became the official religion of Rome for some 300 years. The early Christian church later adopted Sunday as their holy day, and December 25 as the birthday of Jesus.
Mithra became the patron of soldiers. Soldiers in the Roman legions believed they should fight for the good, the light. They believed in self-discipline and chastity and brotherhood. Note that the custom of shaking hands comes from the Mithraic greeting of Roman soldiers.
It was operated like a secret society, with rites of passage in the form of physical challenges. Like in the gnostic sects (described below), there were seven grades, each protected by a planet.
Since Mithraism was restricted to men, the wives of the soldiers often belonged to clubs of Great Mother (Cybele) worshippers. One of the women’s rituals involved baptism in blood by having an animal- preferably a bull - slaughtered over the initiate in a pit below. This combined with the myth of Mithra killing the first living creature, a bull, and forming the world from the bull's body, and was adopted by the Mithraists as well.
When Constantine converted to Christianity, he outlawed Mithraism. But a few Zoroastrians still exist today in India, and the Mithraic holidays were celebrated in Iran until the Ayatollah came into power. And, of course, Mithraism survives more subtly in various European -- even Christian -- traditions. | re: British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By jeanv Comments: 17271, member since Sun Sep 11, 2005On Sat Dec 31, 2011 06:01 AM
Whatchamacallit wrote:
British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts
Ce que cette cruche de watcha oublie de préciser, c'est que les études qui pronostiquent UK #1 en Europe dans quelques décades s'appuient..
.. fondamentalement sur la poursuite de l'immigration et dans la plus grande natalité des pakistanais, choses que watcha réprouve.
Mais je suppose que nous n'en sommes plus à espérer la moindre cohérence de la part de watcha...
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en>fr fr>en By ArthurH Comments: 18777, member since Thu Oct 17, 2002On Sat Dec 31, 2011 06:02 AM
Toujours aucun vrai sens historique ce pauvre watcha | re: British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts (karma: 2)
en>fr fr>en By Whatchamacallit  Comments: 38591, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003On Sat Dec 31, 2011 06:05 AM
jeanv wrote:
Whatchamacallit wrote:
British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts
Ce que cette cruche de watcha oublie de préciser, c'est que les études qui pronostiquent UK #1 en Europe dans quelques décades s'appuient..
.. fondamentalement sur la poursuite de l'immigration et dans la plus grande natalité des pakistanais, choses que watcha réprouve.
Mais je suppose que nous n'en sommes plus à espérer la moindre cohérence de la part de watcha...
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That's what you say, as usual without quoting sources. Prove it and we'll see.
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en>fr fr>en By WilyB Comments: 27689, member since Sat Apr 26, 2003On Sat Dec 31, 2011 06:45 AM
Edited by WilyB (63834) on 2011-12-31 06:45:34
Whatchamacallit wrote:
That's what you say, ...
No ducon, this is what you posted yourself:
It also said the economy would benefit from immigration which would boost the working age population. | re: British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts (karma: 6)
en>fr fr>en By letarsier59  Comments: 10666, member since Thu Jan 20, 2005On Sat Dec 31, 2011 06:55 AM
George Osborne's economic strategy rests on continued high levels of immigration to Britain – in contrast to the Conservatives' policy of cutting net migration down to the "tens of thousands".
The Government will find itself in the position of either having to allow continued immigration in the hundreds of thousands or jeopardising the country's economic recovery, according to its own fiscal watchdog, the Office for Budget Responsibility.
Ministers will not reduce average annual immigration down to the "tens of thousands" over the course of this parliament according to the OBR's projections. Instead, net inward migration to Britain will remain at an average of 140,000 a year until 2016, it says, despite repeated promises from Conservative ministers that they will reduce immigration flows to substantially below these levels.
If ministers were to succeed in reducing immigration down to their target, the UK's growth would be damaged, the OBR's economists believe – acknowledging the role that immigration plays in Britain's economic health. The forecast is embarrassing for David Cameron and the Home Secretary, Theresa May, who have repeatedly insisted that the Tory manifesto pledge will be met.
The OBR said: "Our assumption for population growth is based on average net inward migration of 140,000 per annum over the forecast period [2011-16]." Net migration to the UK in 2010 was 252,000, according to the Office for National Statistics, the highest level on record.
Tory ministers have consistently stressed that their objective is to bring down net migration to Britain to "tens of thousands" a year before the end of this parliament. Mr Cameron reiterated this objective in October.
The Home Office argues that, since the OBR's 140,000-a-year net migration figure is an average over five years it is consistent with immigration levels dipping below 100,000 in future years of this parliament. But the average flows over the parliament would still be considerably in excess of ministers' targets. And the OBR's estimate – which it first made in June 2010 – has not changed despite the immigration control measures introduced by the Coalition over the past 18 months.
The OBR has also pointed out that falls in immigration would have economic implications. Reductions in net immigration would have a negative impact on UK growth, the fiscal watchdog said in November last year. "If migrants have a similar employment rate and level of productivity to the existing average, a reduction or increase in population growth of 0.1 per cent would translate one-for-one to a reduction or increase in trend growth of 0.1 per cent respectively."
Jonathan Portes, the director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, said the OBR would have to revise down its growth and deficit forecasts if the watchdog believed the Government was likely to succeed in cutting immigration. "Less immigration would mean fewer workers paying tax," he said.
The Immigration minister, Damian Green, said: "We have introduced a limit on non-EU workers and radically overhauled the student visa system to cut abuse. We will also be announcing restrictions on the right to settle here and reforms of the family migration route."
www.workpermit.com . . .
Solution : open borders and let immigrants going in. Same arguments here 3 years ago with the Attali commission : create growth with immigration.
Jacques Attali proposera dans son rapport à Nicolas Sarkozy deux mesures pour la libération de la croissance: la relance de l'immigration et la disparition progressive des départements.
La relance de l'immigration et la disparition progressive des départements sont deux des mesures phares que Jacques Attali proposera à Nicolas Sarkozy dans son rapport sur la libération de la croissance, révèle jeudi Le Figaro.
Le recours à l'immigration serait justifié par la nécessité de "faire face à un marché du travail en tension" et par le fait que "l'immigration, facteur de développement de la population, est en tant que telle une source de création de richesse, donc de croissance", écrit le quotidien.
www.lexpress.fr . . .
Once again, Whatcha displays his deep ignorance ... as usual. | re: British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts (karma: 5)
en>fr fr>en By jeanv Comments: 17271, member since Sun Sep 11, 2005On Sat Dec 31, 2011 07:10 AM
le brillant et érudit jeanv wrote:
Ce que cette cruche de watcha oublie de préciser, c'est que les études qui pronostiquent UK #1 en Europe dans quelques décades s'appuient..
.. fondamentalement sur la poursuite de l'immigration et dans la plus grande natalité des pakistanais, choses que watcha réprouve. ce gros bénêt inculte de Whatchamacallit wrote:
That's what you say, as usual without quoting sources. Prove it and we'll see.
Pauvre truffe, t'es vraiment très con.
- 1- tu postes une étude, visiblement sans connaître les raisons qui ont abouti à ces conclusions
- 2- une grande personne qui connait cette étude te l'explique, parce que lui prend la peine de comprendre ce qu'il lit.
- 3- alors que tu aurais dû te méfier à cause de toutes les roustes que je t'ai collé (sur le Zen, notamment), tu te permets de douter
- 4- le neuneu de bestin que j'ai explosé sur la million man march de Qaddafi Duck t'approuve
Bêtes à manger du foin...
Tiens, mange déja ça: le tableau source des prévisions de l'étude
qui te prouve que la prévision de croissance UK vs France
* NE vient PAS d'un delta de croissance par habitant,
* vient d'un delta de croissance de population
(ce que je t'avais dit)
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en>fr fr>en By ArthurH Comments: 18777, member since Thu Oct 17, 2002On Sat Dec 31, 2011 07:18 AM
Edited by ArthurH (45185) on 2011-12-31 07:33:34
Sans compter que ces études à quarante ans sont d'un pathétiques .., pas étonnant que seul Watcha à travers le dailymail puisse s'y "intéresser"(enfin lire le titre dans le cas de watcha). | re: British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By Whatchamacallit  Comments: 38591, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003On Sat Dec 31, 2011 07:20 AM

The usual heart-warming court of groupies.
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en>fr fr>en By jeanv Comments: 17271, member since Sun Sep 11, 2005On Sat Dec 31, 2011 07:41 AM
Whatchamacallit wrote:
The usual heart-warming court of groupies.
Traduction watcha-français:
"tout le monde m'a explosé la gueule sur les arguments de fond,
alors je sors le joker du groupe de méchantss qui m'en veulent.
(et j'ajoute des poupées Barbie pour montrer que j'ai de l'humour)."
La vieillesse est un naufrage, mais, chez watcha, c'est naufrage de bateau en papier..
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jeanv wrote:
I am the king of assholes
I have no humour at all.
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en>fr fr>en By WilyB Comments: 27689, member since Sat Apr 26, 2003On Sat Dec 31, 2011 07:57 AM
 Allez, je karmate, c'est ma tournée.
I also offer you a cute ass. | re: British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts (karma: 5)
en>fr fr>en By NikosAliagas Comments: 1010, member since Sun Jul 15, 2007On Sat Dec 31, 2011 09:05 AM
Chuck Norris approves this thread as a whole.
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en>fr fr>en By ReBourne Comments: 7341, member since Sat Oct 24, 2009On Sat Dec 31, 2011 09:20 AM
If the British economy survives, it might be one of the only economies left in Europe.
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en>fr fr>en By malbarre Comments: 23816, member since Wed Aug 24, 2005On Sat Dec 31, 2011 09:33 AM
British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts.
Lol. I love experts. | re: British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By NikosAliagas Comments: 1010, member since Sun Jul 15, 2007On Sat Dec 31, 2011 09:42 AM
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re: British economy will be biggest in Europe in four decades, say experts en>fr fr>en By Lord_Buckhouse Comments: 4180, member since Wed May 27, 2009On Sat Dec 31, 2011 09:58 AM
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en>fr fr>en By malbarre Comments: 23816, member since Wed Aug 24, 2005On Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:05 AM
Edited by malbarre (77758) on 2011-12-31 10:11:18
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en>fr fr>en By WilyB Comments: 27689, member since Sat Apr 26, 2003On Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:15 AM
 I am very touchy to that subject. My dad was partly raised in a British college and by obscure reasons grew hatred for England while he had a worship for the US.
That’s what spanking and the leash will do to some people.
As a result, at adult age, while going often to England for business and feeding me with British things, he kept prophesying the decadence and downfall of the British economy, ensuing the end of the colonial era. Thanks God I never took him seriously. I am used in building up my opinions all by myself.
I must say your dad was right.
Raised in the cult of America, I naturally ended up there, while I was not very happy each time I was in London. While in the US however, the whole reverted and I began actually loving England, until I returned to Europe and decided I had to live there.
You are our peripatetic hero.
I then spent a year in London where I began seeing things a different way. I just initially thought that England would be a substitute to America for sedating the homesickness, yet it turned out I loved it a helluva lot.
Is that the time you tried to steal that movie script about Kaddafi?
Now for the serious part, everyone knows I attended the Law School 6 years ago.
No, you did not. You took one class in order to prolong your food stamps.
There I had the highest score in Juridic English
Your Pidgin English sucks.
and the lowest scores in many law matters.
You failed, as usual, because you’re a lazy fuck.
Not that I am that lousy in Law. But ...
Yes you are.
Let's take a case. We had a class in Intl relatioships and the teacher exactly repeated the same words like my father. He taught us that after WWII European powers got lost and replaced by two superpowers, the USA and the USSR.
Actually the decline of Europe started in 1914.
Not to mention the fact he had forgotten China, I interrupted the teacher in the middle of his statement and told him before the whole class: "Don't sell the bear's skin before killing the bear". "England has the biggest offshore banking Empire in some of its colonies in the Carribeans".
You show no respect for your teacher and your classmates. Now consider the surprisingly big disruption caused to British banks when tiny Iceland’s economy imploded in 2008, and admit you’re an utter know nothing moron.
The teacher, a typical French, tried to counter by asking me where I fished that info ! So i ridiculed him twice more by saying the stupid truth, the "Nouvel Observateur's Atlaseco". It was a special issue I had with my subscription to the magazine, it is an atlas of all nations and the pertaining economy data.
Actually, you looked like a fucking moron and she kicked you out (remember, six years ago your teacher was a “she”. Try to remember your lies, for chrissake!
So my say is, France pushed the whole EC shit just in order for France and Germany to suck monies out of the UK, period.
November 1967: De Gaulle opposes his veto against the UK.
While I do agree that England itself is decadent because of the excess of foreigners, which can be easily cured, it doesn't mean the British economy is bad.
For the Limeys, France is where abroad begins. No other country offers such a perfect yardstick for comparison, involving near-identical levels of national wealth, population, military clout, diplomatic cunning and historical swagger. It has long made for a satisfying rivalry, marred by a nagging fear: that the contest matters more to the British than to the French.
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en>fr fr>en By Whatchamacallit  Comments: 38591, member since Fri Nov 14, 2003On Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:26 AM

For the usual groupies, a gesture of peace and love. Since the old lady has arthritis, she can't lift the second finger.
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