Moody's downgraded the debt of three frog banks: BNP Paribas, Societe Generale, and Credit Agricole Friday, citing deteriorating liquidity and funding conditions. ... Others might follow if the stinkeys can't scrape up a shitpile of shakey Euros quick.
By Leila Abboud and Christian Plumb
PARIS, Fri Dec 9, 2011, 9:44am EST
(Reuters) - Ratings agency Moody's downgraded the debt of BNP Paribas (BNPP.PA), Societe Generale (SOGN.PA), and Credit Agricole (CAGR.PA) on Friday, citing deteriorating liquidity and funding conditions.
Moody's cut its ratings on the long-term debt of BNP and Credit Agricole by one notch to Aa3, concluding reviews that began in June and were continued in September. Societe Generale's long-term debt was cut by one notch to A1.
The downgrades were driven by the increasing difficulties the banks were having in raising funding and the worsening economic outlook, Moody's said.
The French banks' ratings are still roughly level compared with their European peers, reflecting their strong retail operations and stable earnings.
The downgrade nevertheless comes at a sensitive time for the banks, which have seen their shares pummeled and when they have been forced to cut their outstanding loans and potential risk as available short-term funding has evaporated.
Socgen said in a statement it was surprised by the decision and challenged the ratings agency's reasoning, adding that its third-quarter results had shown its "capacity to adjust rapidly its management of short and long-term funding needs in the current unfavorable market environment".
In addition, its exposure to crisis-hit nations such as Greece, Italy and Spain was "modest and manageable," the bank said. BNP Paribas and Credit Agricole could not immediately be reached for comment.
BNP and Socgen's shares both dipped close to 4 percent at the market open but recovered to trade up 1.1 percent and 0.8 percent respectively by 1027 GMT as investors weighed the downgrades against steps to boost European banks' liquidity announced by the European Central Bank on Thursday.
"The ECB's three year refinancing is good news for the banks since it reduces the risk of a breakdown in the sector," said Romain Burnand, co-founder of Moneta Asset Management. "That offsets the disappointment some investors are feeling about progress in the European summit talks."
All three banks have seen their access to short-term funding sharply curtailed this year as U.S. money market funds stopped buying French banks' debt because of fears about their exposure to euro zone sovereign debt. The sector as a whole has increasingly traded in line with broader optimism or pessimism about potential solutions to the regional debt crisis.
GLIMMER OF GOOD NEWS
Late on Thursday Europe's banking watchdog, the European Banking Authority (EBA), said the region's banks must find 114.7 billion euros of extra capital, more than predicted two months ago, to make them strong enough to withstand the euro zone debt crisis and restore investor confidence.
But in a glimmer of good news for the French banks, the EBA said they needed to find 7.3 billion euros ($9.7 billion) in fresh capital by mid-2012, lower than a previous estimate of 8.8 billion euros.
Moody's said its ratings did take into account the fact that all three French banks were likely to benefit from state support if the crisis deepened.
"Liquidity and funding conditions have deteriorated significantly for ," said Moody's, adding that the banks have historically relied on wholesale funding markets.
"The probability that the banks will face further funding pressures has risen in line with the worsening European debt crisis."
All three of the banks have undertaken programs to sell assets to reduce their outside funding needs, but Moody's said that since many European banks were doing the same thing such asset sales might not generate as much money as the banks hoped.
BNP has $47 billion, or 23 percent, of outstanding bonds coming due next year, while SocGen has $27.5 billion, or 13 percent of its outstanding bonds maturing and Credit Agricole has $31.4 billion, or 16.5 percent, expiring, according to Thomson Reuters data.
MANAGING ITS WAY THROUGH?
BNP has said that it has already raised 8 billion euros ($10.65 billion) towards its 2012 medium-to-long-term funding requirements and still needs to raise another 20 billion.
BNP Chairman Baudouin Prot reiterated in an interview with the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that France's largest bank, was managing its way through a situation in which dollar funding has become much harder to access.
"We are finding the means without having to turn to the ECB or the Fed," he was quoted as saying.
Asked why BNP doesn't make more use of the ECB, Prot said: "It generally has a certain stigmatization attached to it. It could give the impression that there is no alternative."
SocGen said last month that its medium/short-term issuance for 2012 had been set at between 10 and 15 billion euros, roughly half its 2011 bond sale total.
The Moody's downgrade comes shortly after Standard & Poor's placed its ratings on BNP, Credit Agricole, and Societe Generale on "credit watch with negative implications" on December 7.
S&P had earlier put a series of European states, including France, on watch negative over fears that political leaders were not moving decisively enough to curb the deepening sovereign debt crisis.
The Moody's one-notch downgrade still leaves the top French banks' ratings on roughly the same level as their European peers. Both BNP and Credit Agricole's long-term debt and deposit ratings are now at Aa3, the same as banks like Deutsche Bank (DBKGn.DE) and Spain's BBVA (BBVA.MC).
re: Moody's cuts three French banksen>frfr>en By korbach Comments: 17495, member since Fri Jul 02, 2004
On Fri Dec 09, 2011 05:31 PM
Moody's anaytics are cheap cunt who try to aford for Phd's under the average rate, ask for frogfryer if you want to have some reliable advices --just kidding.
re: Moody's cuts three French banksen>frfr>en By TexanForever Comments: 18937, member since Thu Jun 10, 2004
On Fri Dec 09, 2011 09:26 PM
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Yes, since our Marxist nigger POS has attained the presidency he has been printing and spending inflated money night and day, "saving" many big companies that should have been allowed to go bankrupt and re-organize. Obunga is taking us down the same Marxist road as the EU, and we are failing just like the EU.
We intend to reverse this in the 2012 elections. ... By the way, in case you don't understand basic economics, a lower valued dollar makes our stuff less expensive overseas and helps our exports, increasing employment. Keep the Euro high.
re: Moody's cuts three French banksen>frfr>en By jeanv Comments: 17146, member since Sun Sep 11, 2005
On Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:09 PM
TexanForever wrote:
By the way, in case you don't understand basic economics, a lower valued dollar makes our stuff less expensive overseas and helps our exports, increasing employment. Keep the Euro high.
By the way, in case you don't understand basic economics, Germany's exports or employment are better than that of the US, all the while with the rather solid Euro.
The currency exchange rate is not the only tool of an economic policy.
re: Moody's cuts three French banksen>frfr>en By FrogFryer Comments: 35670, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Sat Dec 10, 2011 02:08 AM
Edited by FrogFryer (63085) on 2011-12-10 02:20:20
jeanv wrote:
TexanForever wrote:
Moody's cuts three French banks
---- ---- Bankrupt
---- ---- Government had to buy 40% of bank to save it:
---- Just 3 years after the meltdown of US banks, Americans are gloating about a notation downgrade?
---- Right.
---- Friends working in French banks tell me they can't wait for American advice on how to run a bank
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YEP bu bu bu bretzel That means european banks are in tip top just like the euro
insert u.s. debt charts here
have the lenders come back yet or are most of europes banks still running to the ECBs dollar life line from the fed ?
just ask'n?
wait never mind
By jeanv&& Comments: 17048, member since Sun Sep 11, 2005
On Fri Nov 11, 2011 08:17 PM
And the £ sterling? ROFL. They are already inflating their way out of debt..
wot
The pound was one of the best performers this week as U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said he would not sacrifice sovereignty to save the euro. The Dollar Index fell for a second week amid better-than- forecast economic data before the Federal Reserve meets Dec. 13.
wot was your other words of wisdom there ?
dont short the euro ?
snort snort snort LOL
god i hope your not a senior strategist somewhere cause that would be a pretty big fucking joke I tells ya
if your short term is anything like your long they should retire your decrepit midget old ass post haste
and not only because you're a blathering idiot
but because you reek of garlic and have a congee stain on yer tie
re: Moody's cuts three French banksen>frfr>en By jeanv Comments: 17146, member since Sun Sep 11, 2005
On Sat Dec 10, 2011 02:38 AM
Edited by jeanv (78002) on 2011-12-10 02:42:51
Edited by jeanv (78002) on 2011-12-10 02:44:13 one 'the' missing
FrogFryer wrote:
jeanv wrote:
And the £ sterling? ROFL. They are already inflating their way out of debt..
wot
The pound was one of the best performers this week as U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said he would not sacrifice sovereignty to save the euro. The Dollar Index fell for a second week amid better-than- forecast economic data before the Federal Reserve meets Dec. 13.
wot was your other words of wisdom there ?
You remind me of dear old Traffie pointing to a straw fleeting in the breeze to try to demonstrate that wooden beams usually fly.
If you're trying to contradict what i said in my quote you copied, then you're a bigger idiot than I'd have thought.
I was obviously not referring to one week in particular, but to the upward trend of the inflation in the UK for more than a year now.
Keep masturbating yourself over your usual fantasy Europeans still give a damn about big bad Boosh, bretzel, but but, or run in fear of a ticket Bolton/Gingrich.
You're a delusional bore. I skipped your posts when you were drooling about your cocaïne and prostitutes. Your recent posts haven't been an improvement.
And I formulate this more nicely than you deserve, as I'm not sure the dose will be strong enough to percolate the thick layers of your oh so brilliant mind.
re: Moody's cuts three French banksen>frfr>en By FrogFryer Comments: 35670, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Sat Dec 10, 2011 02:59 AM
jeanv wrote:
FrogFryer wrote:
jeanv wrote:
And the £ sterling? ROFL. They are already inflating their way out of debt..
wot
The pound was one of the best performers this week as U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said he would not sacrifice sovereignty to save the euro. The Dollar Index fell for a second week amid better-than- forecast economic data before the Federal Reserve meets Dec. 13.
wot was your other words of wisdom there ?
You remind me of dear old Traffie pointing to a straw fleeting in the breeze to try to demonstrate that wooden beams usually fly.
If you're trying to contradict what i said in my quote you copied, then you're a bigger idiot than I'd have thought.
I was obviously not referring to one week in particular, but to upward trend of the inflation in the UK for more than a year now.
Keep masturbating yourself over your usual fantasy Europeans still give a damn big bad Boosh, bretzel, but but, or that aticket Bolton/Gingrich might be elected.
You're a delusional bore. I skipped your posts when you were drooling about your cocaïne and prostitutes. Your recent posts haven't been an improvement.
And I formulate this more nicely than you deserve, as I'm not sure the dose will be strong enough to percolate the thick layers of your oh so brilliant mind.
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you're full of shit
no i told VLF he could move some of his HARD cash into sterling and U.S dollars for the sort term
thats US dollars the worlds only reserve currency
you laughed at it like it was a bad idea because you're stoooooopid and maybe mildly retarded like Alan
Mongoloidish?
yep
then added they're inflating there way out of debt like a moron
yes and i lauged at you because you have no short term vision
you also laughed at me and told me to put my money where my mouth is and short the euro
pulled the trigger twice
ask me how That's going?
GO AHEAD
i dare ya
now a lying to boot jean ver
tisk tisk tisk
just admit you're a stupid schmuck in this instance unwrap yourself from that EU flag stick you're french pride and ego, put the congee bowl on yer head and move on
god
spin spin spin
do you pull shit like that with your boss ?
I know when I ask an employee in the lowly rag purple #23 biz , or someone working for me , or one of my wealth management guys/ girls a direct question and they bullshit or run around
re: Moody's cuts three French banksen>frfr>en By FrogFryer Comments: 35670, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Sat Dec 10, 2011 03:49 AM
Edited by FrogFryer (63085) on 2011-12-10 03:50:58
Edited by FrogFryer (63085) on 2011-12-10 03:51:54 LOL SNORT SNORT SNORT
Edited by FrogFryer (63085) on 2011-12-10 03:52:30
re: Moody's cuts three French banksen>frfr>en By FrogFryer Comments: 35670, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Sat Dec 10, 2011 04:20 AM
jeanv wrote:
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---- ---- ---- ---- Go to bed.
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sorry i was reading more eu army LOL
wot
I smell like tequila , tequila , beer , tequila ,porn stars , and smoke
I ain't going in there. not because im scared but because i dont wanna lay next to her cause ill just tear the wifes lil panties off .
she was sound asleep
i was a good boy tonight
even though i dont have to be
patience
no bed I'M getting in the shower first
I got pictures again
I hire the same Blondie Russian to shove the ring toss dildo up her ass ever year
Shes a fucking treasure
I gotta put em on the puter and chop some heads off first
i left at about quarter ta 2 the party was still ragin when i left
if i stayed i porbably would of wound up banging the same short lil brunette i took in the back room last year
her picture is up on tth or here ....from last year i cant remember witch site
re: Moody's cuts three French banksen>frfr>en By Lord_Haw_Haw Comments: 8642, member since Sun Mar 07, 2010
On Sat Dec 10, 2011 04:36 AM
Asked why BNP doesn't make more use of the ECB, Prot said: "It generally has a certain stigmatization attached to it. It could give the impression that there is no alternative."