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France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration (karma: 4)  en>fr fr>en
By Dewi_Sant Comments: 22737, member since Wed Jul 06, 2005
On Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:46 PM
France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration - French President Nicolas Sarkozy: "Never has Europe been in more danger" except when the Hun were on the march of course :D

French President Nicolas Sarkozy has warned that "never has the risk of disintegration been greater" for Europe in a speech in Marseille.

He was addressing a gathering of European leaders of the centre right.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said it would take years to overcome the crisis but "we need to have more Europe".

EU leaders are preparing for a key summit in Brussels, where they will be trying to clinch a deal on how to tackle the eurozone debt crisis.

The key proposal on the agenda of the gathering in the Belgian capital later on Thursday is how to enforce budgetary discipline with automatic penalties for those eurozone nations that overspend.

Germany and France are pushing for new European Union treaties, saying stricter fiscal rules should be enshrined there.

Mr Sarkozy said Europe was in much danger.

"Never has Europe been so necessary. Never has it been in so much danger," he said.

In the closing remarks to the EPP conference, Mr Sarkozy spelt out exactly what is expected of Europe in the coming 48 hours. If there's a time for speaking frankly he said, it's now. We have only a few weeks to save the euro.

The tone suggested the German and French leaders are not altogether optimistic of finding an agreement among the wider 27 nations of the EU, but if those negotiations break down, said Mr Sarkozy, then we will have a treaty for the 17 members of the eurozone. Coherence isn't everything, he said, but in political life it counts.

The German chancellor said it was time to put aside national egos and national interest.

she can fuck right off :D

That sounds a worthy argument but in recent days the smaller nations have complained they're being forced to follow the agenda of Germany and France with very little room for discussion.

"Never have so many countries wanted to join Europe. Never has the risk of a disintegration of Europe been so great. Europe is facing an extraordinarily dangerous situation."

He said the eurozone economies still had a few weeks to decide, but that time was working against them. awwwwwwwwwwwwwww I is having a sad now thinking of them

"The diagnosis is that we have a few weeks to decide because time is working against us. If we aren't in agreement on this, I fear that we won't be able to agree on anything. That's the analysis."

Mrs Merkel has said changes to the European basic treaty are necessary. She said all 27 member states in the EU had a duty to Europe, and had to work together to overcome the crisis in the eurozone.

National egos and interests had to be put aside, she added.

The two leaders were attending the annual congress of the centre-right grouping in the European Parliament, the European People's Party (EPP), in the southern French city.

As the leaders were speaking, the European Central Bank (ECB) cut its interest rates back to their historic low of 1%, as expected by financial markets.

ECB President Mario Draghi called again for governments to cut their borrowing and reform their economies, but did not mention any new financial support from the ECB for struggling governments.

"We have a treaty that says no monetary financing to governments," he said in response to a question on the subject at a post-meeting news conference.

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Earlier, European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso, who is also in Marseille, urged the EU to "do everything" to save the euro ahead of the Brussels summit.

"The entire world is watching. We must do everything" to save the euro, he said, adding: "It is extremely important that we all together, all the EU, show that the euro is irreversible." snigger, snigger :D


Mrs Merkel and Mr Sarkozy are seeking to enforce budgetary discipline by changing the existing EU treaties.

"We are convinced that we need to act without delay," the two leaders wrote in a joint letter to European Council President Herman Van Rompuy, adding that the new treaty was needed by March.

The Merkel-Sarkozy letter also called for "a renewed contract between the euro area member states".

The German-French plan is based on the following key provisions:

the European Commission to have the power to impose penalties for nations that run excessive budget deficits
all 17 eurozone nations should amend their national legislation to require balanced budgets
the eurozone countries to have common corporation and financial transaction taxes
any future bailouts would not require private investors to absorb part of the costs, as happened in the Greece case

The BBC's Europe editor Gavin Hewitt, at the summit in Brussels, says he has been told it is likely that Mr Sarkozy and Mrs Merkel will sit down for brief talks with UK Prime Minister David Cameron, who is seen as the chief objector.

The UK has said it will veto the proposals unless they protect British interests. The French and German leaders will try to establish where the UK's red lines lie, our editor says.

Mr Van Rompuy is offering an alternative plan, a fast-track "fiscal compact" that does not need lengthy ratification by parliaments or national referendums.

The 10 non-eurozone members of the 27-member EU, including the UK, are concerned they may become isolated if the eurozone nations - driven by Berlin and Paris - decide to move to a new treaty on their own.

However, smaller nations in the EU are concerned that majority voting on a new EU bailout fund would give too much power to France and Germany.

A Finnish governmental advisory committee has said 85% majority voting - as the Franco-German proposal outlines - would be "unconstitutional".

11 Replies to France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration

re: France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By NikosAliagas Comments: 916, member since Sun Jul 15, 2007
On Thu Dec 08, 2011 01:28 PM
Chewie_Sant wrote:

France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration - French President Nicolas Sarkozy: "Never has Europe been in more danger" except when the Hun were on the march of course :D


The sheep shagging is strong with this one

Image hotlink - 'http://simplematchfishing.co.uk/yabbfiles/Smilies/wooly.gif'
re: France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By PopsFrost Comments: 9775, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008
On Thu Dec 08, 2011 01:41 PM
NikosAliagas wrote:

Chewie_Sant wrote:

France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration - French President Nicolas Sarkozy: "Never has Europe been in more danger" except when the Hun were on the march of course :D


The sheep shagging is strong with this one

Image hotlink - 'http://simplematchfishing.co.uk/yabbfiles/Smilies/wooly.gif'

You Greeks have a lot of nerve, accusing the Jewish dwarf, Sarkozeee, of fucking sheep.

I will say this for you Greek, at least you're not one of those filthy, cowardly, fudge-packing, backstabbing fronch.
re: France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration en>fr fr>en
By Dewi_Sant Comments: 22737, member since Wed Jul 06, 2005
On Thu Dec 08, 2011 01:42 PM
Nikosfullagas says what ?
re: France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By mikgof Comments: 10087, member since Tue Feb 17, 2004
On Thu Dec 08, 2011 02:00 PM
"Mrs Merkel and Mr Sarkozy are seeking to enforce budgetary discipline"


Britain could have done with some of that 30 years ago, before we embarked on toy town economics, living on credit. We'd be a rich country now, instead of being in debt. At least this crisis will ensure that all EU members will adopt sane economic policies from now on, instead of just maxing out on credit.


No country can long survive living on credit. The amazing thing is that we survived 30 years before it all came crashing down around us.
re: France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration en>fr fr>en
By PopsFrost Comments: 9775, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008
On Thu Dec 08, 2011 02:11 PM
mikgof wrote:

No country can long survive living on credit. The amazing thing is that we survived 30 years before it all came crashing down around us.

When Republicans said that America shouldn't be borrowing $1.5 trillion every year, you said they were dangerous extremists.
My question is, do you own a brain cell or do you mindlessly parrot what the leftist media tells you?
re: France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration en>fr fr>en
By NikosAliagas Comments: 916, member since Sun Jul 15, 2007
On Thu Dec 08, 2011 02:16 PM
PopsFrost wrote:



The sheep shagging is strong with this one

Image hotlink - 'http://simplematchfishing.co.uk/yabbfiles/Smilies/wooly.gif'
You Greeks have a lot of nerve, accusing the Jewish dwarf, Sarkozeee, of fucking sheep.


Your brain is in worse shape than EC's asshole.
I was talking about Chewie_Sant...

Welsh... Sheep shagger... you know...
re: France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration en>fr fr>en
By GhostDivision Comments: 3209, member since Thu Feb 09, 2006
On Thu Dec 08, 2011 02:54 PM
NikosAliagas wrote:

PopsFrost wrote:



The sheep shagging is strong with this one

Image hotlink - 'http://simplematchfishing.co.uk/yabbfiles/Smilies/wooly.gif'
You Greeks have a lot of nerve, accusing the Jewish dwarf, Sarkozeee, of fucking sheep.


Your brain is in worse shape than EC's asshole.
I was talking about Chewie_Sant...

Welsh... Sheep shagger... you know...


Kanzerlin Merkel should be sending some panzer divisions across your border any day now. It will be cheaper to occupy the Greek cretins than to bail their idiotic asses out! :D
re: France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By faqufrance Comments: 6706, member since Wed Nov 17, 2004
On Thu Dec 08, 2011 08:18 PM



"Never let a crisis go to waste"

Rest assured serfs, brussels will see that you will lose even more, IF this joke, the eu, stays afloat.
re: France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By luv2hate_em Comments: 11599, member since Tue Apr 08, 2003
On Thu Dec 08, 2011 08:46 PM
Strange..wasn't it the frogs n krauts that pushed the eu and euro down everyone's throats?

Now, they see there chance to completely control the rest of zerope.

hehe...
re: France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration en>fr fr>en
By GhostDivision Comments: 3209, member since Thu Feb 09, 2006
On Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:19 AM
Before its over with, the €uro will be replaced by the Dinar of the Zeropeon Caliphate. :D
re: France's Sarkozy warns Europe risks disintegration en>fr fr>en
By mikgof Comments: 10087, member since Tue Feb 17, 2004
On Fri Dec 09, 2011 03:49 AM
PopsFrost wrote:

mikgof wrote:

No country can long survive living on credit. The amazing thing is that we survived 30 years before it all came crashing down around us.

When Republicans said that America shouldn't be borrowing $1.5 trillion every year, you said they were dangerous extremists.
My question is, do you own a brain cell or do you mindlessly parrot what the leftist media tells you?



I have never said that not borrowing $1.5 trillion a year is extremist. I have said that both the right wing and left wing (two sides of the same coin) are dangerous extremists. As recent history proves. In Britain it was extreme nutters who who got us into our present predicament.

Thatcher, a right winger, doubled our national debt, and ensured that the state took any extra 2% of GDP. John Major, a centrist, started to pay of some off our national debt, turned deficit spending into a surplus and got the size of the state back to what the Tories inherited in 1979. Blair and Brown then turned the budget surplus into deficit and increased the national debt. The coalition, centrist is tackling our deficit, left to them by "dangerous extremists."


It's the left and right wing bat shit crazy wackaloons that caused the problems and its the sane centrists that have to solve them. No more extreme ideologues will be elected in this country for a generation at least. Our children will ensure that. But their children not having experienced the damage that right and left wing nutters do to a country might well revert to extremists. But at least we'll have sane government for the rest of my life at least, and our country will thrive once this financial mess is finally sorted.

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