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Somali piracy: Armed guards to protect UK ships- piracy should carry the death penalty (karma: 6)  en>fr fr>en
By Dewi_Sant Comments: 22615, member since Wed Jul 06, 2005
On Sun Oct 30, 2011 05:16 PM
Somali piracy: Armed guards to protect UK ships - Armed guard on board a merchant vessel It is up to the flag state of the vessel whether or not armed guards are allowed - Ships sailing under a British flag will be able to carry armed guards to protect them from pirates, the prime minister has announced.

David Cameron says he wants to combat the risks to shipping off the coast of Somalia, where 49 of the world's 53 hijackings last year took place.

Under the plans, the home secretary would be given the power to license armed guards for ships.

No ship carrying armed security has yet been hijacked, the government claims.

Up to 200 vessels flying the red ensign - the British merchant navy flag - regularly sail close to Somalia. Officials estimate that about 100 of those would immediately apply for permission to have armed guards.

Under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea every ship is subject to the jurisdiction of the country whose flag it carries.

It is thought many British-registered ships already carry armed guards because they feel they have no alternative.

However, licensing ships to carry armed guards could still fall foul of laws in other countries. Egypt recently announced that armed guards would not be permitted on ships sailing through the Suez canal.

Shoot to kill? fuck yes :D


Until now, vessels flying the British flag have not been licensed to carry their own weapons on board, something other countries have permitted.

Pirates operating out of Somalia now range over around three million square miles of sea leaving existing navy patrols stretched.

The hope will be that armed patrols act as a deterrent, but there are risks.

Some experts warn of the danger of an escalation in the violence with pirates responding with heavier weapons.

The practicalities can also be complex - some countries are less willing than others to have foreign nationals working for private security companies carrying weapons in their ports or while sailing in their waters.

And while maritime and security industry experts believe this measure may help, it is unlikely to deal with the fundamental causes of the piracy problem - that will require more effective governance and stability in Somalia.

Mr Cameron said he wanted to legalise armed guards after talks in Australia with Commonwealth leaders from the region over the escalating problem faced in waters off their shores.

But armed guards would only be permitted while passing through dangerous waters, such as the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.

Previous government policy had strongly discouraged the use of private armed guards on board UK vessels.

But ministers began to consider amending the position to combat piracy in "exceptional circumstances", Foreign Office Minister Henry Bellingham said in a submission to the Commons' Foreign Affairs Committee earlier this year.

The Home Office looked at how to apply UK firearms legislation on board UK ships, and whether it was feasible to authorise and monitor the possession of "prohibited" firearms at sea, he said.

Mr Cameron was asked if he was comfortable with giving private security operatives the right to "shoot to kill" if necessary, and told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "We have to make choices.

"Frankly, the extent of the hijack and ransom of ships round the Horn of Africa is a complete stain on our world.

"The fact that a bunch of pirates in Somalia are managing to hold to ransom the rest of the world and our trading system is a complete insult and the rest of the world needs to come together with much more vigour."

The International Chamber of Shipping (ICS), which represents over 80% of the world's merchant fleet, welcomed the move as likely to have a deterrent effect - but said it was only a "short-term measure".
'Dreadful impact'

Secretary general Peter Hinchliffe said the ICS was concerned about how pirates would respond to the move. well I just hope loads of the fuckers get shot - 'deaded' then they are cured

"To date, no ships with armed guards on board have been captured. But pirates will respond with increased firepower to overwhelm the armed guards, and when that happens the impact on the crew will be pretty dreadful," he told Reuters. so then we allow them rocket launchers and any vessel that comes within a mile gets a warning shot first the second shot will turn them into shark food

Peter Cook, director of the Security Association for the Maritime Industry (Sami), welcomed the policy change, but Commodore Angus Menzies, from the Honourable Company of Master Mariners, said it would "shift the problem elsewhere".

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Mr Cook said many armed guards were former Royal Navy and Royal Marines personnel, and he added: "With the current redundancies it has provided them with an ideal place to go."

Transport Secretary Justine Greening said it was "sensible" for ships to be able to take "appropriate measures to protect their crew and cargo".

Shadow Foreign Office Minister, John Spellar, welcomed the move but said more details were needed from the government about how it would be implemented.
High velocity rifles

Sami director Mr Cook said most armed guards would be using high velocity rifles, which were used to "deter pirates" from attempting to board a ship.
A Somali pirate looks out at a hijacked ship Use of armed guards would be restricted to voyages through particular waters in affected areas

He confirmed that no vessel with armed guards had been taken over by pirates, and said in several cases guards had fired shots at pirates.

Maritime risk consultants Haymarket said the introduction of armed guards would save the British shipping and insurance industries millions of pounds.

John Bisseru, a maritime risk specialist at the firm, said: "Prevention is the way forward, and qualified and trained armed guards will be significant step."

France and Spain provide so-called military vessel protection detachments, while Italy is planning a similar measure.

In July, the Foreign Office Minister Mr Bellingham said limited military resources meant it was not possible to free up Royal Marines for a ship protection role.

Other counter-piracy measures being taken include offering support from Treasury officials to Kenya to help its officials track down pirates' assets.

Mr Cameron also said help could be given to countries such as the Seychelles and Mauritius who were acting to bring pirates to court and imprison them.

8 Replies to Somali piracy: Armed guards to protect UK ships- piracy should carry the death penalty

re: Somali piracy: Armed guards to protect UK ships- piracy should carry the death penalty (karma: 4)  en>fr fr>en
By OldCujo Comments: 3884, member since Thu Mar 30, 2006
On Sun Oct 30, 2011 05:24 PM
Armed guard on board a merchant vessel It is up to the flag state of the vessel whether or not armed guards are allowed..

It's about time! The Somali rats don't follow any rules other than what they make up on the spot. It should be 100% legal to shoot them dead if they come within firing range of a merchant shit. Detaining them is a waste of time and resources.
re: Somali piracy: Armed guards to protect UK ships- piracy should carry the death penalty (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By Nappybonesapart Comments: 15152, member since Fri Aug 27, 2004
On Sun Oct 30, 2011 05:40 PM
Dew in Brit law 3 crimes still carry the death penalty

arson in a naval dockyard
treason (traffita calling traffita!)
and piracy with violence
re: Somali piracy: Armed guards to protect UK ships- piracy should carry the death penalty (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Fearless_Leader Comments: 19992, member since Thu Dec 09, 2004
On Sun Oct 30, 2011 07:54 PM
somalia should be completely nuked
re: Somali piracy: Armed guards to protect UK ships- piracy should carry the death penalty (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By Richard1 Comments: 454, member since Sat Sep 05, 2009
On Sun Oct 30, 2011 08:30 PM
The fuckers live better in a US/Euro prison than they do in that lawless shit hole that they call home.
re: Somali piracy: Armed guards to protect UK ships- piracy should carry the death penalty (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Dewi_Sant Comments: 22615, member since Wed Jul 06, 2005
On Mon Oct 31, 2011 04:10 AM
Richard1 wrote:

The fuckers live better in a US/Euro prison than they do in that lawless shit hole that they call home.


we should take no prisoners - plenty of blood in the water will bring sharks - if any survive then it is Gods will they live so we allow them 2 attempt 2 swim back 2 land :D

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re: Somali piracy: Armed guards to protect UK ships- piracy should carry the death penalty en>fr fr>en
By Johnny_Ola Comments: 7970, member since Sat Apr 28, 2007
On Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:26 AM
Edited by Johnny_Ola (80557) on 2011-10-31 10:29:53
Edited by Johnny_Ola (80557) on 2011-10-31 10:31:14
Richard1 wrote:

The fuckers live better in a US/Euro prison than they do in that lawless shit hole that they call home.


Bloody jailer's pets! :D

Well this new approach from the Brits is refreshing. I think they were staunchly against armed private security guards before. I heard a debate on the radio with an American and a Brit on this issue. The American was not only a security specialist, but he was actually aboard a hijacked boat off Somalia. His crew was unarmed and it was a nightmare. Later he was on an armed ship and after blowing the tops off of a couple of the pirates' heads, the pirates turned tail.

The Brit acknowledged that armed guards could possibly be a good idea in theory...but he just couldn't get over his prejudice of privately owned guns and armed private security.
re: Somali piracy: Armed guards to protect UK ships- piracy should carry the death penalty en>fr fr>en
By Bishopabc Comments: 8688, member since Fri May 27, 2005
On Sun Nov 06, 2011 03:19 AM
Pirates + Heavy Chains + Plank = 0 Pirates

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