Open Europe’s pamphlet, “The case for European localism”, authored by former Policy Exchange Director Anthony Browne and Open Europe’s Director Mats Persson, which sets out new mechanisms to strengthen democracy and localism in Europe, is cited by the IHT, Handelsblatt and Gavin Hewitt’s BBC blog.

On Conservative Home, Anthony Browne looks at yesterday’s meeting, noting that “It represented the entire range of opinion in the [Conservative] party, from Europhiles to withdrawalists, discussing what has historically been the party’s most toxic issue…There were no attacks on parliamentary colleagues. No demands that we pull out now.” He goes on to say, “The phrase European localism is targeted at the Achilles heel of the Liberal Democrat position – it is inconsistent at best to be a big supporter of pushing power down within the UK closer to the citizens, while wanting to centralise it in Brussels as far away from citizens as possible.”
The Case for European Localism Open Europe press release BBC BBC: Hewitt Conservative Home: Browne Spectator: Coffee House Mail: Hastings WSJ

Eustice is a fraud and a plant; a tory europlastic. Without assholes like that, maybe this thing has got legs. Who are the other traitors and liars? Weed them out by quizzing them on their blogsites - you'll soon spot the phoneys.

Believe nothing Camoron, Millipede and Clegg say, and you're on the right track. Just don't forget they are very good liars, deceivers and cheats, and they have the MSM (moronic mass media) behind them to try to fool us into believing there is a compromise with the EU. There is NONE. It's in or out (keeping good relations and all that). Better out; then we decide. Much better starting point with future negotiations with our relations with the Commonwealth, the USA, the other European countries and the rest of the world.

The EU is a dud squib; dangerous if you try to play around with it to try and fix it. Probably just best put in the recycling bin with the rest of the trash. It won't be missed, and any useful bits get recycled. What's the prob?

In the words of the Pink Floyd: 'We don't need no EUdication'. Maybe young Gilmour could write a new version of one of his pop's classics. Yea, nice idea, better than being a fucking plonker at the Cenotaph.

European Caucasians; "Divided we rule"?





Keep the Muzz happy; a divided Europe; easier to conquer; one at a time.
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lookanlearn wrote:

European Caucasians; "Divided we rule"?





Keep the Muzz happy; a divided Europe; easier to conquer; one at a time.
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if thats what it takes 2 get us out of this 'experiment' then so be it

they are achieving with the pen what they tried with the jackboot and failed

they didn't ask us and we don't want it

and if the muzz kick off then we are ready

at least we stayed ready for the fight not like some that fucked off cowering 2 foreign lands because they were scared

lookanlearn wrote:

European Caucasians; "Divided we rule"?





Keep the Muzz happy; a divided Europe; easier to conquer; one at a time.
!

I don't see it that way. Pre-EU, each country had full sovereignty and control of its borders. It also had its own arrangements with other countries concerning immigration. In the case of the UK, these included immigrants from the old Empire. With france, they came from her old empire, mainly the Maghreb.
I remember the first wave of immigrants after WW2. The situation was far from perfect, but we had our own way of dealing with it - Race Relations Board, etc. We didn't have nutters from countries we had nothing to do with in the past waving placards, burning flags and chanting death to their host country. That wouldn't have been tolerated, same as there were laws to prevent racial violence and intimidation against the immigrants. As I said, not perfect but it worked.

Now with the wonderful EU, we have immigrants and their offspring who are in the EU on account of the historical relationship that EU countries have had free to roam around wherever they like spreading their poison and hatred, particularly in the Schengen zone. And look what's happening there; more and more countries wanting to take back more control of their borders.

I would suggest the EU is allowing the immigrants to destroy the rich cultures of European countries. In short, it is the EU that is the weakest link and should be done away with (and as soon as possible preferably).

ICI - I don't believe his points are really worth answering -

he cannot possibly be as 'tick' as he is pretending 2 be

he would not be capable of multi-tasking

i.e. he could not remember breath in breath out and type at the same time

Dewi

If I am to believe L&L, he has been living in Japan, a fully sovereign country, for quite a while, so that obviously has had an effect on his perception. That's fair enough. I think he might be of UK origin, this is why I tried to remind him that there was life before the EU.

For L&L's benefit and in fact for everyone's benefit there is an excellent book on the the subject of the EU free on the net. It is really worth a read.

You can get it from a link on this page.

www.ukiphillingdon.com . . .

I am Pro-Europe; BUT I do accept that each country can and should be able to set up border checks as and when they see fit; for whatever purpose they deem necessary.

The Human Rights Act/s can deal with any abuses of power.

Im not sure what Dewi hates about the UK or Europe or the local militia? buuuut...
Give me a specific example of what you do not like about Europe and time for a solution. Whether its political, immigration, monetary or any other, you're not happy about; and maybe a solution can be found. ASK.

There is a solution to every problem. If we are reasonable.

Remember; any scouser can pick a fight with himself on a Saturday night.

Well I never! Max Hastings?

Here's Dr Richard North's as ever excellent analysis

eureferendum.blogspot.com . . .

and ensuing debate on the EUReferendum forum

umbrellog.com . . .

iciparis wrote:

Well I never! Max Hastings?

Here's Dr Richard North's as ever excellent analysis

eureferendum.blogspot.com . . .

and ensuing debate on the EUReferendum forum

umbrellog.com . . .

A referendum is great; only to those who have a little bit of common sense. Balanced information would have to precede any referendum; not just a bunch of little Hitlers screaming from the rooftops that the world is going to cave in.

lookanlearn wrote:

I am Pro-Europe; BUT I do accept that each country can and should be able to set up border checks as and when they see fit; for whatever purpose they deem necessary.

The Human Rights Act/s can deal with any abuses of power.

Im not sure what Dewi hates about the UK or Europe or the local militia? buuuut...
Give me a specific example of what you do not like about Europe and time for a solution. Whether its political, immigration, monetary or any other, you're not happy about; and maybe a solution can be found. ASK.

There is a solution to every problem. If we are reasonable.

Remember; any scouser can pick a fight with himself on a Saturday night.

Right, I think I've established you're a Brit. Just one thing, you say you are Pro-Europe. Fine. So am I. However, the thread is about the EU, something completely different from Europe, so where do you stand? Are you Pro-EU?

lookanlearn wrote:

I am Pro-Europe; BUT I do accept that each country can and should be able to set up border checks as and when they see fit; for whatever purpose they deem necessary.

The Human Rights Act/s can deal with any abuses of power.

Im not sure what Dewi hates about the UK or Europe or the local militia? buuuut...
Give me a specific example of what you do not like about Europe and time for a solution. Whether its political, immigration, monetary or any other, you're not happy about; and maybe a solution can be found. ASK.

There is a solution to every problem. If we are reasonable.

Remember; any scouser can pick a fight with himself on a Saturday night.

you say I am Pro-Europe yes??

well then it has got fuck all 2 do with you

you no longer have a dog in this fight as you fucked off out of it

I am anti ANYTHING that the fLogs are involved in - the fLench are the beggars of not only Europe but the world -

they would take any food offered as aid from the poor old Ethiopians if they thought they could get away with it

now if some kind soul were 2 nuke fLance then I would perhaps view europe differently

they are scum - look what they did when the sengate camp was closed - we had 2 take all those that were in the camp before they would close it - then their politicians openly laughed about it -

take me for an idiot once shame on you - take me for an idiot twice shame on me

this of course was just one isolated incident but there are hundreds of them out there regarding the fLench shitting on us Brits

we as a nation are nothing like the fLench we do have morals whereas they have none at all

The only problem with the EU, or the UK political system or the Welsh system of running the country is that people are too impatient. Everybody wants to be first to benefit.

Everybody thinks if they are not they will lose a free lunch.

Most potential problems stem from a willingness to not know what the point of it is.

The theory and the practice are difficult to implement.
In the same way as communism is basically reasonable in theory.

Human nature is a fickle beast though.

Im happy for anything except "Home Rule for Yorkshire" mentality.

Divide and fall?

And Dewi should at least try fix the French cunts who sunk the Rainbow Warrior by writing to his EU MP; and not forget Bloody Sunday, the sort of stuff us Brits got up to.

Point being; moving forward correctly is better than ANY half-baked plan. For or against the EU.

As long as it prevents Muzz/Negroes/Jews increasing to 5% total of the EU population (with restrictive breeding thereafter); Most survivor peoples and I would vote for any of em who are serious about such improvement. Anti or Pro EU..

Or the streets may well run rivers of blood. As Enoch Powell once said.

Cancer is a nasty disease.

lookanlearn wrote:

iciparis wrote:

Well I never! Max Hastings?

Here's Dr Richard North's as ever excellent analysis

eureferendum.blogspot.com . . .

and ensuing debate on the EUReferendum forum

umbrellog.com . . .

A referendum is great; only to those who have a little bit of common sense. Balanced information would have to precede any referendum; not just a bunch of little Hitlers screaming from the rooftops that the world is going to cave in.

Again, maybe because you live in Japan, you are not aware of the lively and intelligent debate that has been going on in many countries that are members of the EU, not just the UK, for years. Yes, even in France and Germany, 'the motors, ahem' of the project, and the other four of the original six, except maybe Luxemburg (what's there to complain about?), there are an increasing number of people who feel their country would be better off out.

The blog I linked you to is only one of a growing number of British political blogs focussing on this subject. It probably has counterparts in every EU 'member state' if you'd care to look for them and can understand the language. I understand French and there are plenty of EU sceptical sites and comments, even in the msm. So this is a mature debate we are talking about that doesn't warrant your "not just a bunch of little Hitlers screaming from the rooftops that the world is going to cave in." comment.

In contrast, in principle, I agree with the first part of your comment. Didn't seem to work in France, Holland and Ireland though, did it?

Even one commenter at EUReferendum has written an interesting article suggesting a referedum wouldn't work while offering very positive, pragmatic and practical solutions. I like this man's take:

umbrellog.com . . .

In medical terms, this is more like a boil ready to burst.

I want the UK to be like your adopted country Japan and countries like Norway again, like before, i.e. sovereign nations. The markets might go a bit haywire for a while, but they'll soon get used to it and then realise it was a good thing after all. Some banks in some EU member states will be wiped out, but as they say in French 'Tant pis'.

lookanlearn wrote:

iciparis wrote:

Well I never! Max Hastings?

Here's Dr Richard North's as ever excellent analysis

eureferendum.blogspot.com . . .

and ensuing debate on the EUReferendum forum

umbrellog.com . . .

A referendum is great; only to those who have a little bit of common sense. Balanced information would have to precede any referendum; not just a bunch of little Hitlers screaming from the rooftops that the world is going to cave in.

even the Austrian people had a referendum before combining with Germany

iciparis wrote:

lookanlearn wrote:

I am Pro-Europe; BUT I do accept that each country can and should be able to set up border checks as and when they see fit; for whatever purpose they deem necessary.

The Human Rights Act/s can deal with any abuses of power.

Im not sure what Dewi hates about the UK or Europe or the local militia? buuuut...
Give me a specific example of what you do not like about Europe and time for a solution. Whether its political, immigration, monetary or any other, you're not happy about; and maybe a solution can be found. ASK.

There is a solution to every problem. If we are reasonable.

Remember; any scouser can pick a fight with himself on a Saturday night.

Right, I think I've established you're a Brit. Just one thing, you say you are Pro-Europe. Fine. So am I. However, the thread is about the EU, something completely different from Europe, so where do you stand? Are you Pro-EU?

pro Europe is a euphamism for EU

lookanlearn wrote:

The only problem with the EU, or the UK political system or the Welsh system of running the country is that people are too impatient. Everybody wants to be first to benefit.

It is generally better to be first in any ponzi scheme.

Lord_Haw_Haw wrote:

iciparis wrote:

lookanlearn wrote:

I am Pro-Europe; BUT I do accept that each country can and should be able to set up border checks as and when they see fit; for whatever purpose they deem necessary.

The Human Rights Act/s can deal with any abuses of power.

Im not sure what Dewi hates about the UK or Europe or the local militia? buuuut...
Give me a specific example of what you do not like about Europe and time for a solution. Whether its political, immigration, monetary or any other, you're not happy about; and maybe a solution can be found. ASK.

There is a solution to every problem. If we are reasonable.

Remember; any scouser can pick a fight with himself on a Saturday night.

Right, I think I've established you're a Brit. Just one thing, you say you are Pro-Europe. Fine. So am I. However, the thread is about the EU, something completely different from Europe, so where do you stand? Are you Pro-EU?

pro Europe is a euphamism for EU

I don't agree at all. At best, sloppy use of language and a sign of geographical ignorance, but I'm sure that's the way the commission and its hangers-on in Luxembourg and Strasbourg would like people to see it. And by jeez, they haven't half spent a lot of hard-earned taxpayers cash promoting it. And without asking. Cunts.

Johnny_Ola wrote:

lookanlearn wrote:

The only problem with the EU, or the UK political system or the Welsh system of running the country is that people are too impatient. Everybody wants to be first to benefit.

It is generally better to be first in any ponzi scheme.

That made me laugh; however; the same comment could be said about any government run form outside your house/village/town/region/county/country.

I think any referendum should include a 3-question test at the voting booth, to determine whether the voters opinion should count; whether it be for the EU, or against.
Otherwise you may as well give votes to pets.
Im for Intelligent DEMOCRACY, not for or against the EU per-se.

And yes; anything expected to cost over a million Euro should be
voted on by national representatives, as to whether it is in the public interest.

Any and ALL national representatives should be stripped of all economic assets of their whole family to the point of welfare if they abuse the system that pays them. Agreed?

If the system appears to be inefficient or not cost effective; it should be stripped of income until or unless it is.

And I do realise/realize that there is a long-running debate going on; but the majority of people are not well informed at all. That was my point.

Whatever happens, there will be conflicts caused by mere translation errors; added to the conflicts you see even in member countries political halls.

N.B.
America is not pro-Europe/Eu as it (in their eyes),　an economic competitor if working fluently.